Installing cement backerboard is one of the more popular choices for a shower wall substrate. Cement backerboards include Hardiebacker, Durock, Fiberboard, wonderboard, and similar products. These materials bridge the gap between expense and effectiveness. When installed properly they will give you many, many years of durable shower construction.

The advantage of cement backerboards is that, while not waterproof, they are dimensionally stable when wet. That just means that when they get wet they do not swell up. Any swelling behind tile is a bad thing. It will lead to cracking grout, tile, and all sorts of bad things.

Waterproofing your studs

To install the backerboard you must have a vapor barrier between it and the wooden wall studs. While the backerboard will not swell when wet, your wall studs will. You must prevent any moisture from reaching them. The preferred material for a vapor barrier would be 4 mil or thicker plastic sheeting which can be purchased at places like Home Depot or any hardware store. You can also use tar paper or roofing paper, the thick black paper used under shingles. Although I personally do not use that, it is an acceptable barrier.

Starting with your bare wall studs on your shower walls simply take your plastic sheeting and staple it to the wall studs completely covering the entire surface which will be inside your shower. You can also use silicone instead of staples to adhere it to the studs. Make sure you overlap all the edges. Just hang it all up there like you’re hanging wallpaper. You want it covering the framing enough that if you were to spray the walls with a hose the wall studs and framing would not get wet.

At the bottom of the barrier you will want it to overlap on the shower side of the tub or shower base. That is you want it so that any water that runs down the plastic sheeting will roll off into the tub rather than behind the tub. Overlap the lip of the tub or base and silicone the back of the barrier to keep it in place.

Installing the backerboard

Now for the backerboard. Lay out your backerboards for the best fit on the walls. They can go up vertically or horizontally, it makes no difference. With a regular tub surround with a five foot back wall it is usually easier to use two horizontal sheets along the back wall and one vertical on each of the sides. (This assumes 3 X 5 foot backerboard sheets.)

All backerboards are cut by scoring and snapping. You do not need a saw for them. While there are special scoring tools specifically for this you can easily do it with a regular utility knife. While all these backerboards are essentially identical in their effectiveness as a substrate, some are more easily cut. Durock, in my opinion, is the most difficult. I personally prefer hardiebacker or fiberboard. Make sure you check the website for whichever you choose for specific instructions.

To fasten the backerboard to the framing you have a couple of choices. A lot of professionals simply use galvanized roofing nails. While this is perfectly acceptable, I prefer screws over nails when possible. Hardi makes specific screws for their backerboard which can also be used for all backerboards. These are manufactured with ribs beneath the head of the screw which help it cut into the backerboard and countersink so the head is flush. If your local big box or hardware store carries them, they will be in the tile section. You can also use just about any type of corrosion resistant screw. Anything that can be used for an outside deck can be used for your backerboard.

Fasten your backerboard to your shower framing with a screw or nail about every 8 – 12 inches. I would also suggest using a straight-edge along your wall while doing this so that you can shim out any areas where the wall studs may not be straight. The flatter your backerboard is installed, the easier your tile installation will be. Take your time, the beer isn’t going anywhere.

Allow for movement!

You do not want to butt the backerboards against one another. You need to leave a small gap at every change of plane. That includes corners, walls to ceilings, and walls to tubs or floors. There needs to be room for expansion and contraction.

Wood moves – always. It’s just a fact of life. The secret to dealing with the movement is to ensure the movement will not interfere with the tile. Leaving this small gap will allow for movement of the sheets enough so that they do not force against one another and push out. While the backerboard itself is very stable, you are still attaching it to wood.

If you have a tub or shower base you will also want to stop the backerboard about 1/8 inch above the lip. You do not want to run the board over the edge of the lip because it will cause the backerboard to bow out and your wall will not be flat. It will also allow the tub or shower base to move a bit – it’s attached to the wooden studs as well. Tubs also move when they are filled with water. You need to allow for that movement.

I usually leave about a 1/16 to 1/8 inch gap between the sheets of backerboard. This allows for thinset to lock into the entire thickness of your backerboard when you tape and mud your seams. We’ll cover that part in a minute.

Don’t allow for movement! (Confused yet?)

If your shower framing is such that you cannot place the edges of all the backerboards directly over a stud you will need to add more studs. You may do this with regular 2 X 4’s screwed to the present framing vertically or horizontally as needed. You must make sure that every edge of the backerboard is supported so if the wall is pushed or leaned on in that spot it does not move. You want solid walls.

Final step

The last thing you must do is mud and tape your seams. Similar to regular drywall all of your in-plane  joints must be taped. To do this you just use regular thinset and alkali-resistant fiberglass mesh tape. You can find the tape in the tile section – it’s similar to regular fiberglass drywall tape, but it specifically manufactured to be alkali resistant. Make sure it is alkali-resistant because your thinset contains alkali which will gradually erode regular tape thus defeating the purpose.

There are two ways to address the corners. The industry standard, and the way you should do it, is to tape and mud the corner joint as well. Most backerboard manufacturers recommend this, as do the handbook standards. I only do that about half the time – I’m a rebel like that. 8)

*The other half of the time I only tape and mud the in-plane joints – the gaps in the same wall, not the corners. With the corners I fill the gap with silicone. I do this to allow the different planes of the walls to move in different directions, which they will do whether you like it or not. Allowing this movement in the substrate compensates for excess stress in certain applications. This is something that I do, it is not industry standard and you will likely not find anyone else recommending doing this. So when you get the conflicting information about this – that’s why. :D

Fill all the gaps in your seams with thinset (you left gaps there, right?) then embed the tape into it. Then go over the tape with more thinset to smooth everything out. This will lock everything together and give you a continuous, solid substrate for your tile. That’s what you’re looking for.

When properly installed cement backerboards will create a rock solid, extremely durable substrate for your tile installation. Taking time and care to solidify what is behind or beneath your tile is the only way to guarantee a lasting installation. Your tile is only as durable as what it is installed upon.

As always if you have any questions at all please feel free to leave a comment.

Hardiebacker Website

Durock Website

Need More Information?

I now have manuals describing the complete process for you from bare wall studs all the way up to a completely waterproof shower substrate for your tile. If you are tiling your walls and floor you can find that one here: Waterproof shower floor and wall manual.

If you have a tub or pre-formed shower base and are only tiling the walls you can find that one here: Waterproof shower walls manual.

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  • Carol dawson

    before I goof in tub area I am going to  do read gaurd the small gaps and corners tape and at the gap at bottom of hardy use silacon then redgaurd then when tile at bottom overlap tub to 1  /16th” and after done a siliacon over that (no moister barrior behind hardy directly to studes.Half up aroud room is hardy on oustside wall I left plastic cover on insulation upper wall green board  is this ok? and on inside walls I only did hardy bottom and same green board top no 15 felt just to wall studes tile from floor half up and I have vent fans witch were none before is there anything I left out before I start tileing please let me know .
    Thanks for All your helpand patients
    Caroldawson

    • Roger

      Hi Carol,

      You’re just fine with everything you’ve described. The plastic over the insulation above the hardi is fine – it won’t create any problems.

  • Steve

    Hi Roger
    I Just installed two sheets of hardibacker on the backwall horizontally and the transition between the two leaves a little over an 1/8th of uneveness. Will I be able fix this when I put the thinset on?

    • Roger

      Hi Steve,

      Yup, you can float out any small inconsistencies like that with thinset to flatten it out.

  • Dave

    Hi, Roger. I have the cement board up and am picking up tile later today. Finally! Question for you – a contractor friend of mine recommends putting silicone in the gaps between the sheets rather than thinset. Would that also be okay?

    • Roger

      Hi Dave,

      Nope, the thinset between the layers isn’t just to have something there. It locks the two sheets together so they do not move independently – silicone won’t do that. If you use silicone they will still move separately from each other.

  • Tony M.

    Hello Roger,                                                                                                 

        I am installing a walk in shower. I read the comments and they are very helpful. But, I still do not understand the lineron the sides lip and the backer board joint. If I leave the backer board an 1/8 above the shower floor liner, which is 10 inches up on the sides, how can the the tile be even when installed? Am I missing something?

    • Roger

      Hi Tony,

      I think you may have two different installation methods going on there. You only leave the backerboard 1/8″ above the shower floor – not the shower floor liner. The liner should run up, as you’ve said, 10 inches or so from the top of your shower floor. The backer should be only 1/8″ above the shower floor, it should overlap your floor liner by 9 7/8″.

      Backerboards should be left 1/8″ above a shower pan or tub flange, and the wall liner run down over the flange. The way some people word things that may have been where the misunderstanding arose. It’s a completely different installation method.

      • Tony M.

        Roger,

           Thank you for clarifying my issue. You are very helpful, keep up the great work…. 

  • Justin

    Roger,

    Got the Durock up and ready to tape and thinset the seems.  What’s the proper procedure for the corners and the changes of plane?

    Thanks for the clarification. 

    • Roger

      Hey Justin,

      Silicone the changes of plane to prevent thinset from getting into them as you install your tile. The seams on the same plane between sheets of durock get filled with thinset, taped, and skimmed over with more thinset.

  • chris veldhoen

    Hi Roger
    Disregard the floor question .. have read your post on subject.
    Though… found another ‘Q”
    Am tiling inner shower walls to ceiling 2.7 metre, as the top of the shower cube is 2 metres rest of wall will be green gib or similar. Is there any concern where the green gib (drywall) meets the extended tiles? .. am thinking about running down a border strip of some describtion, wood or plastic.. to give the tiles above the shower a boundary. (also as the tiles are on cement board, which is thinner that the green gib). practical idea? or….

    cheers 

    • Roger

      It’ll work but anything you get in wood or plastic would be better, and last longer, if substituted with a tile version. The wood won’t last long given vapor exposure that close to a shower. There’s no problem with the drywall where it meets the tile, you just need to make sure it has a good paint over it.

  • chris veldhoen

    Hi Roger, I think you may have answered this already… but hey, sometimes told more than once makes it stick.. (Corner shower job.)
    Am fixing plastic sheeting to studs running down and overlapping the outside flashing of shower base, siliconed in place as suggested. then basically screwing in cement backerboard and running down to be parallel with fixed plastic (1/8 inch gab above inner shower base).
    I understand at each flat join to use tap and thinset only, and on the one corner to silicone and then apply tap and thinset?.. correct so far? 
    Now, post tiling both sides of cement board, can I grout down the corner?
    also at base of cement board, I was going to also tile down flush with bottom of board, would it be ok to then silicone along the 1/8 inch seam, allowing a couple of gabs to allow drainage?. 
    Oh, while here, am tiling floor area first, (timber floor).. is it recommended to basically screw cement board firmly on to the floor planks then tile, any other preparartion needed? ie, plastic sheeting prior to attaching cementboard, wouldnt imagine there would be much water to worry about.. (a few wet foot prints from shower escapes!!) do you also need to tinset gaps in floor similar to walls??

    Thanks alot for your help.. must be one of the best sites on the net! .. apart from those female beach volleyball contests!! cheers chris

    • Roger

      Hi Chris,

      Your order of events is correct with construction. You need to use silicone or caulk in the corner. Those two different walls will move in different directions, the grout cannot handle that movement.

      Yes, you should silicone that 1/8″ seam and allow weep holes in the bead.

      Per your request I have completely ignored your flooring question. :D Never been compared to female beach volleyball contests. I’ll take it as a compliment. :D

  • Guido

    I am installing a custom walk in shower.  I am curious how to install the backer board over the shower pan and still have a flat surface for a natural stone install.  My brother-in-law just did this and he put up chicken wire and lathe over the backer board to make the wall flat.  Any suggestions? 

    • Roger

      Hey Guido,

      You don’t need flat backerboard – you need flat studs. You can use shims or sister the studs as well as notching out the studs to compensate for the thickness of the membrane. Chicken wire and lath for a shower wall needs to have a minimum 3/4″ mud wall. If your wall studs are plumb and flat you can screw the backer right to them and have a completely flat wall. It’s all in the underlying preparation.

  • Carol dawson

    Roger,I aso need information fro my bedroom floors I have already boufgt 3/4 x 4 3/4′ oak hand scraped prefinished
    I am on concreat slab and seams pretty level with minor small cracks some say you can use barrior then glue down this does not click to geather just to flote it I love this floor just need know how to in stall it  itwillbe in all living areas except for bathrooms and kitchen will be tile.Any adviceyoou can give me .
    Thank you again
    Carol dawson

    • Roger

      Hi Carol,

      As long as you don’t have any major cracks or vapor transmission issues you can glue it directly to the concrete with a GOOD wood flooring adhesive. If you need a membrane of some sort between the concrete and wood Bostik makes several to which you can glue the wood directly. Bostik wood flooring adhesives and membranes

  • Carol dawson

    hi Roger its me again In my master bathethe outside wall has plumbing all the way across the wall iwas going tojust leave plastic came on insulation on it thenhardy backer 500 arround shower tub area and then arround the rest I was going to 4ft
    foot up from floor with hardy and the other 4 ft with green wall board and arround tub do redgaurd all the way noe plastic behind dew to shimming but since that room outside wallis almost all plumbing should i doi it the hardy allway up and red gaurd all of hardy board on that wall and 4ft on all inside walls then the green board from top that to sealing?I guess i am just being a worry wart justwant it as perfect as i cn get it.
    Thanks
    carol Dawson

    • Roger

      Hi Carol,

      No need for hardi all the way up anywhere except inside the shower. Nothing is going to affect the plumbing or the outside wall at all. Just go with the hardi and redgard inside the shower and hardi four feet up around the rest, greenboard above that.

  • Jamie

    I am installing a DIY shower using a Oatey shower pan liner.  I’ve made a nice mortar pan, laid the pan liner over it, and run the liner up 8 inches on the 3 wall sides.  The pan held water for 4 hours, no leaks.

    Now I am installing 1/2 Hardibacker board over the studs, which are protected with 15 m roofing paper, then putting down deck mud. My deck mud will reach 2 inches at its highest point of the shower wall.

    My question is how low can I screw in the Hardibacker board, near the pan?  A reference book tells me I must leave the bottom 8 inches of the Hardibacker unfastened (the same height as the pan liner running up the wall) but it makes more sense to me that I can screw it in so long as the screw is inserted above where the deck mud, floor tile mortar and floor tile will be?

    Thanks very much, this is a great website.

     

    • Roger

      Hi Jamie,

      It needs to be higher than where the deck mud is. Standards state any fasteners be stopped a minimum of three inches above the finished height of your shower curb. No screws lower than that. If you are installing your backers first the top mud deck will hold it in place.

  • Rob

    Roger,
    When checking the flatness of the wall, how flat is flat enough (sounds like a riddle)?  For example, when installing the hardwood flooring in my house, I flattened the floor to within the thickness of 15 lb tar paper over the length of an 8′ level. It was a major effort in a house that it doesn’t appear to have had the joists crowned prior to installation but the results were worth that effort.

    • Roger

      Standards call for flatness to be no more than 1/16″ over 8 feet. My definition – perfectly flat so when you place a straight-edge on the tile there are absolutely no open spaces – it’s perfectly flat.

      • Rob

        Got it!  I’ll shoot for as flat as possible.
        Thanks!

  • Terry

    Hi Roger,

    Thanks for this site and all the work you do helping DIYers.

    You got me through my shower rebuild, now its time for a bathtub surround.

    I durocked around the tub, Taped and thinseted all seams. Where the backer board and tub meet, my backerboard is about an eigth of an inch from the tub lip. I put three coats of hydroban of all the backer board. I caulked the eigth inch gap between backer board and tub lip and painted several coats of Hydroban from the edge of the backerboard down to and on the tub lip all around the tub.

    Is that all I need to do before tiling? After I tile I plan on caulking the space behind the tile where it overlaps the tub lip and leaving a couple of one inch gap weep holes so water behind the tiles can get out. Is that the correct way?    Also why don’t you just grout the space between the tile and the tub instead of caulk? Wouldn’t that let the water get out also?    

    Anyway, thanks for all the help you give on this site.      

     

    • Roger

      Hey Terry,

      Sounds like you have it all correct – whaddya need me for? :D

      The reason for using silicone rather than grout is because different materials as different planes expand and contract at different rates. Silicone is flexible enough to deal with that – grout simply cracks and falls out. And yes – that is the correct way to leave weep holes in your installation.

      Well done!

  • Carol dawson

    using 1/2″ hardy backer500 on walls horrizonal if studes on 16″ now closer because using this product do I need to and 2×4 betweet studs whear horizonal seams are all arround too also up 4 ft from floor all arround bathe room?
    Thanks for all you help
    CarolDawson

    • Roger

      Hi Carol,

      No need to add horizontal blocking for the vertical backerboards. The 16″ on center will add plenty of strength to the substrate..

      • Carol dawson

        thanks load off my mind I can get down to tiling Can we post pictures on here if so how oh 1more question
        The holes around tub shower spots and single control bit bigerthan i would have perfuredhow we handle those prep forthin set and tile?
        Thanksagain for everything
        Carol Dawson

        • Roger

          Use silicone between the tile an substrate around all plumbing penetrations. You can send me pictures at Roger@FloorElf.com if you want to. I’m still working on a user’s photo page.

  • Jim

    Roger – if you put up plastic as your water barrier and then screw thru the backer board to attach it, aren’t you putting a bunch of holes into your water barrier and thus defeating the purpose of it?  Trying to understand how this works. 

    • Roger

      Hi Jim,

      As the staple penetrates the membrane it will create a small ‘dimple’ in the barrier. This dimple creates a small ‘dam’ of sorts completely around the staple. It’s very small and you can’t see it unless you look very closely.

      Once you install your wall substrate over the barrier the back of the substrate is in direct contact with the barrier. Around where the staple penetrates the center, right where the staple goes in, it is depressed just the tiniest bit away from the substrate and into the stud. Around this area, a bit wider out, the dimple created when you installed it will be slightly away from stud and tighter against the back of the substrate. So you have a little pucker around the staple that, from the plane of the membrane, starts to poke out a bit then back in where the staple is.

      As water runs down the membrane from directly above this dimple it will contact the top of the dimple and actually run around the depression created, then continue down the membrane. It will not run over the top of the dimple straight down and into the center where the staple is. It goes around the staple. The same thing happens with the screws that penetrate the barrier when you install your substrate.

  • Timothy

    Hey Roger

    I have purchased a kohler cast iron shower pan as a drop in replacement for the tub. I am trying to figure out how the hardibacker should go on the tile flange. Should the substrate come over the flange and down to just above the deck of the tray? Or do I follow the Kohler instructions and attach the substrate to the top of the flange with silicone? Will can I tile over that seam, will the thinset stick to the enameled flange?

    thanks

    Tim

    • Roger

      Hey Timothy,

      Always follow the manufacturer’s instructions – it covers your ass. Thinset will not stick to that flange, but you don’t need any behind that small area at the very bottom of the tile – it can just hang there. Make sure you get full coverage behind the rest of the tile.

  • alex

    Hi rodger can I redgard the hardi backer itself for a moisture barrier? Thanks alex ps if so what about the seems

    • Roger

      Hey Alex,

      Yes, you can. Use alkali-resistant tape and thinset over the seams to float them out and redgard over everything at once.

  • cchobbs

    Can you give me suggestions on how to create a wetroom? I need to know how to waterproof the wood; this house is on blocks with a plywood floor. I want a wetroom because my husband had a stroke and will be coming home from the hospital in a wheelchair. A wetroom will be the easiest access to a shower for him.

    • Roger

      Over a plywood floor you can use Schluter ditra with kerdi-band. You can read about that method here: http://www.schluter.com/6_1_ditra.aspx Just install that and tile right over it. It will be completely waterproof on your floor and you can use kerdi up the walls as far as you need to waterproof them.

  • Carol dawson

    Roger,
    I am using 1and 1/4thinch backer-on and ami doing something wrong I had to shime in some places the screw goes in and after it bites ther is small space behind backer it goes into wood and seams flush on board but leaves small gap between backer board and wood stud seams to hold good .
    thanks carol dawson

    • Roger

      Hey Carol,

      It should be fine. That is just likely places where the board is staying plumb (good) and not distorting to conform to out-of-whack studs. As long as it’s solid and the heads of the screws are flush it’ll be fine.

  • Linda

    If using backerboard over one layer of plywood, then ditra…do i need to tape and mud the seams in the backerboard?
    I so appreciate the help you are giving me! Thank you very much!

    • Roger

      Nope, as long as you are using ditra it does essentially the same thing.

  • Smoke

    Hello Roger,
    How and what is the procedure to lay tile over tile in a shower with a plastic pan? Can I use hardibacker over the tile then mud and lay tile? the floor? Do I apply redgard over all substrates prior to tile?
    Thanks, Smoke

    • Roger

      Hi Smoke,

      There are several different products that can be used to install tile over tile, but to be honest it’s really more of a pain in the ass than what it’s worth. One of the very minor problems is dealing with the extra thickness of the wall where the shower will meet the bathroom wall. The extra tile and substrate can bump it out up to 3/4″ or more. It is MUCH easier and quicker to remove what is currently there and begin from scratch. You CAN NOT install tile over the plastic pan. It simply isn’t stable enough. I really can’t go into very good detail about tiling over tile – I don’t do it. I know protecto-wrap makes a membrane (or used to) that can be used for that purpose. Google that and it may help you out.

  • Jon

    I’m working on a backsplash and the 1/2 hardiebacker doesn’t line up evenly with my dry wall. Whats the best way to deal with this problem? Also can you tape and mud the seams of the backer board and then not tile for a week or two?

    • Roger

      Hey Jon,

      You can shim out either the backer or drywall so it matches up, or you can float it out with thinset. Yes, you can place the backer up there and wait as long as you want before tiling.

  • Holly

    We are tiling a 3-wall shower/tub area. Do we also thinset and tape the corners? We have done all the cement board seams but wonder about the corners in regard to movement vs rock solid support. Great site by the way,very helpful.

    • Roger

      Hi Holly,

      Yes, tape and thinset the corners as well. BUT, do not fill the corners with thinset, place your tape over, then skim it out. Just place the tape there and skim it out. It’s easier if you fill the corner gaps with silicone first, then tape and thinset them. This allows the wall flexibility enough for expansion and allows your installation to be a solid unit. I know it sounds weird, but it works. :D

      • April

        Roger,

        Should we also do this process (silicone caulk, tape and thinset) for the cement board to drywall transition? Does the caulk need to cure before we do the tape/thinset?

        We will be having a mosaic boarder and bullnose tile on the drywall above and next to where the cement board ended in our tub surround. Can we use thinset to set those tiles on the drywall?

        Thanks!
        April

        • Roger

          No, just the thinsed, tape, thinset for the drywall transition. And yes, in the corners allow the silicone to cure first. You don’t HAVE to wait, but it’s gonna be one hell of a mess if you don’t. :D

          Yes, the thinset will work just fine for the tile to the drywall.

  • Lee

    Hey Roger,

    If you leave an 1/8″ gap above the lip of the tub, do you then seal that gap like you would your seams with thinset? Or will your tile just come over the lip and that is good enough after you caulk that tub/tile seam?

    Also, do you recommend applying a waterproof application over the backerboard, such as Redgard or the likes?

    Thanks.

    • Roger

      Hi Lee,

      The tile can just hang over that gap without anything behind it. If you use a topical membrane such as redgard then fill that gap with silicone and paint the redgard over it to create a solid waterproof barrier from the wall to the tub. And yes, I recommend it. You’ll need some sort of waterproof barrier over your substrate – redgard is a good choice.

  • Dennis

    Hi Roger,

    I want to re-tile my shower walls. I DO NOT want to take the tile off of the shower floor. It is rock solid and in great shape. First of all, am I asking for trouble with this or is it possible for me to do this. I’m thinking once I get the walls down, without disturbing the floor. I may have to fir out the walls a tab so that the durock comes over the existing floor. Is any of this possible

    Denny

    • Roger

      Hey Dennis,

      As long as you can get the walls down without disturbing the floor it’s no problem at all. Just make sure that whatever waterproofing method you choose for your walls overlaps the part of the floor liner which runs up the wall.