Installing cement backerboard is one of the more popular choices for a shower wall substrate. Cement backerboards include Hardiebacker, Durock, Fiberboard, wonderboard, and similar products. These materials bridge the gap between expense and effectiveness. When installed properly they will give you many, many years of durable shower construction.
The advantage of cement backerboards is that, while not waterproof, they are dimensionally stable when wet. That just means that when they get wet they do not swell up. Any swelling behind tile is a bad thing. It will lead to cracking grout, tile, and all sorts of bad things.
Waterproofing your studs
To install the backerboard you must have a vapor barrier between it and the wooden wall studs. While the backerboard will not swell when wet, your wall studs will. You must prevent any moisture from reaching them. The preferred material for a vapor barrier would be 4 mil or thicker plastic sheeting which can be purchased at places like Home Depot or any hardware store. You can also use tar paper or roofing paper, the thick black paper used under shingles. Although I personally do not use that, it is an acceptable barrier.
Starting with your bare wall studs on your shower walls simply take your plastic sheeting and staple it to the wall studs completely covering the entire surface which will be inside your shower. You can also use silicone instead of staples to adhere it to the studs. Make sure you overlap all the edges. Just hang it all up there like you’re hanging wallpaper. You want it covering the framing enough that if you were to spray the walls with a hose the wall studs and framing would not get wet.
At the bottom of the barrier you will want it to overlap on the shower side of the tub or shower base. That is you want it so that any water that runs down the plastic sheeting will roll off into the tub rather than behind the tub. Overlap the lip of the tub or base and silicone the back of the barrier to keep it in place.
Installing the backerboard
Now for the backerboard. Lay out your backerboards for the best fit on the walls. They can go up vertically or horizontally, it makes no difference. With a regular tub surround with a five foot back wall it is usually easier to use two horizontal sheets along the back wall and one vertical on each of the sides. (This assumes 3 X 5 foot backerboard sheets.)
All backerboards are cut by scoring and snapping. You do not need a saw for them. While there are special scoring tools specifically for this you can easily do it with a regular utility knife. While all these backerboards are essentially identical in their effectiveness as a substrate, some are more easily cut. Durock, in my opinion, is the most difficult. I personally prefer hardiebacker or fiberboard. Make sure you check the website for whichever you choose for specific instructions.
To fasten the backerboard to the framing you have a couple of choices. A lot of professionals simply use galvanized roofing nails. While this is perfectly acceptable, I prefer screws over nails when possible. Hardi makes specific screws for their backerboard which can also be used for all backerboards. These are manufactured with ribs beneath the head of the screw which help it cut into the backerboard and countersink so the head is flush. If your local big box or hardware store carries them, they will be in the tile section. You can also use just about any type of corrosion resistant screw. Anything that can be used for an outside deck can be used for your backerboard.
Fasten your backerboard to your shower framing with a screw or nail about every 8 – 12 inches. I would also suggest using a straight-edge along your wall while doing this so that you can shim out any areas where the wall studs may not be straight. The flatter your backerboard is installed, the easier your tile installation will be. Take your time, the beer isn’t going anywhere.
Allow for movement!
You do not want to butt the backerboards against one another. You need to leave a small gap at every change of plane. That includes corners, walls to ceilings, and walls to tubs or floors. There needs to be room for expansion and contraction.
Wood moves – always. It’s just a fact of life. The secret to dealing with the movement is to ensure the movement will not interfere with the tile. Leaving this small gap will allow for movement of the sheets enough so that they do not force against one another and push out. While the backerboard itself is very stable, you are still attaching it to wood.
If you have a tub or shower base you will also want to stop the backerboard about 1/8 inch above the lip. You do not want to run the board over the edge of the lip because it will cause the backerboard to bow out and your wall will not be flat. It will also allow the tub or shower base to move a bit – it’s attached to the wooden studs as well. Tubs also move when they are filled with water. You need to allow for that movement.
I usually leave about a 1/16 to 1/8 inch gap between the sheets of backerboard. This allows for thinset to lock into the entire thickness of your backerboard when you tape and mud your seams. We’ll cover that part in a minute.
Don’t allow for movement! (Confused yet?)
If your shower framing is such that you cannot place the edges of all the backerboards directly over a stud you will need to add more studs. You may do this with regular 2 X 4’s screwed to the present framing vertically or horizontally as needed. You must make sure that every edge of the backerboard is supported so if the wall is pushed or leaned on in that spot it does not move. You want solid walls.
Final step
The last thing you must do is mud and tape your seams. Similar to regular drywall all of your in-plane joints must be taped. To do this you just use regular thinset and alkali-resistant fiberglass mesh tape. You can find the tape in the tile section – it’s similar to regular fiberglass drywall tape, but it specifically manufactured to be alkali resistant. Make sure it is alkali-resistant because your thinset contains alkali which will gradually erode regular tape thus defeating the purpose.
There are two ways to address the corners. The industry standard, and the way you should do it, is to tape and mud the corner joint as well. Most backerboard manufacturers recommend this, as do the handbook standards. I only do that about half the time – I’m a rebel like that.
*The other half of the time I only tape and mud the in-plane joints – the gaps in the same wall, not the corners. With the corners I fill the gap with silicone. I do this to allow the different planes of the walls to move in different directions, which they will do whether you like it or not. Allowing this movement in the substrate compensates for excess stress in certain applications. This is something that I do, it is not industry standard and you will likely not find anyone else recommending doing this. So when you get the conflicting information about this – that’s why.
Fill all the gaps in your seams with thinset (you left gaps there, right?) then embed the tape into it. Then go over the tape with more thinset to smooth everything out. This will lock everything together and give you a continuous, solid substrate for your tile. That’s what you’re looking for.
When properly installed cement backerboards will create a rock solid, extremely durable substrate for your tile installation. Taking time and care to solidify what is behind or beneath your tile is the only way to guarantee a lasting installation. Your tile is only as durable as what it is installed upon.
As always if you have any questions at all please feel free to leave a comment.
Need More Information?
I now have manuals describing the complete process for you from bare wall studs all the way up to a completely waterproof shower substrate for your tile. If you are tiling your walls and floor you can find that one here: Waterproof shower floor and wall manual.
If you have a tub or pre-formed shower base and are only tiling the walls you can find that one here: Waterproof shower walls manual.
Hey, just finished tiling my daughter’s shower, 3×6 white porcelain tiles, with a 4 inch stone and glass decorative tile through the middle. Two questions:
1. 100% white silicon in the corners, between top of tile and ceiling, and between bottom of tile and top of tub?
2. Although I tried diligently to maintain a 1/8 spacing, I am not perfect, some may increase by 1/16, and the space below the decorative tile and above the tile below it is 3/16. Can I still use the white unsanded grout for the entire job, minus the corners?
Hi Paul,
1. Yes.
2. I would use sanded grout in the whole thing (minus the corners). 1/8″ is actually pushing the limits of unsanded grout in my opinion.
I’m having a problem with getting the tile/thinset to stick to the PVC liner used on the step bordering the shower and bathroom. Is there something I’m supposed to put over the PVC liner (like hardiebacker board)? I’m trying to no nail anything into the liner so it will serve it’s purpose and not leak if there is a problem.
Hi Rob,
It’s because tile is never bonded directly to the pvc. You need to install wire lath folded over the liner, then wet mud (1 part cement, 4-5 parts sand and 1/2 – 1 part powdered masonry lime). The wet mud is formed into the curb and tile is bonded to it once cured. You do not nail or screw anything through the liner.
” You must make sure that every edge of the backerboard is supported…” Does this include the horizontal ends, perpendicular to the studs? I’m guessing not since you don’t address it anywhere else and it would be kind of a tricky trick to accomplish. Just checking, though. Getting started on a Kerdi shower using your manual. Tub rip- out, conversion to 30″ x 72″ shower. Kerdi linear drain. Tiling virgins, looking forward to the challenge.
Thanks in advance for all of the questions we are inevitably going to ask!
Hi James,
No, not horizontal edges.
Thank you, sir!
(Oh… and I mis-typed in my previous post… I meant to say, “thank you in advance for YOUR ANSWERS TO all of the questions…)
– james
Hi Roger,
I’m re-doing my bathtub surround. I’ve installed Durock and plan to waterproof it with Kerdi membrane. My questions are
1. In your book you recommend to skim-coat cement backer board before installing Kerdi. Will it work if I first tape the seams and skim-coat the board with modified thinset ( I have MAPEI Ultraflex III ) and then (probably, after thinset dries out) install Kerdi with unmodified thinset (MAPEI Kerobond)? Are there any downsides to this method?
2. Kerdi will cover the walls from the bathtub up to the ceiling. However, tiles won’t go up to the ceiling. Can I paint over Kerdi?
Thank you,
Anatoliy
Hi Anatoliy,
1. No problem at all with doing that – let the modified cure first.
2. Yes, provided you prime it first with something like Killz.
I’m remodeling my bathroom, has a shower that does not conform to standard measurements. So….I decided to re-do it myself with ceramic tile. I’ve done tile before, but not the shower. Anyway, I have the backer board up and on the floor….but I’m confused if I was supposed to put the “mud” under the backer board on the floor or ??? Do I need mud if I’ve angled the backer board towards the drain? The problem I’m running into is the drain is too tall still….so I’m torn with trimming off 1″ of drain pipe so the drain fits down lower or if I’ve gone amiss with the floor….. I ordered your book, I’m hoping that has the answers.
Hi Amy,
Backerboard does not go on a shower floor, the entire floor is formed with deck mud.
Roger –
I’ve been drinking a lot of chocolate milks while reading your Waterproofed Floor & Walls with Liquid Topical Products, but feel like there is one item that I’m missing.
My project entails starting from scratch on a basement bathroom with concrete floor. I’m planning on going with the Hardibacker (sticking with your spelling as to not confuse the elves!), concrete block curb, and using deck mud to create the shower floor. Then using a topical water proofing plan…
Question – Do I install the cement backerboard all the way to the basement concrete floor? Basically, does the deck mud butt up against the backerboard or the studs (seems wrong) around the exterior walls? I know the manual photos are a different from my plan (typically liner or no backerboard shown), me confused with all the chocolate milk.
Thanks Roger, really enjoy the manuals and your website…I cannot wait to start sharing my project pics, although I’m not the overachiever making my own tiles or embedding LED mood lighting!
Hi Craig,
With topical floors I install the backer first and the deck mud is formed against it.
Hey Roger,
So I understand that I can’t RedGard over a vapour barrier to not cause moisture problems. I also get it that I need to put a barrier behind backerboard. But what about using RedGard when there is one of the shower or bathtub wall that is an outsidede wall? Can I Just RedGard every wall and leave the vapour barrier off of the outside wall (can redgard act as a vapour barrier in that case?). Or if I only have one of the walls being an outside wall can I just vapour barrier that wall and Redgard the other two. Basically, can I ever even use RedGard in cold climates when an outside wall is used for my shower or tub???
Hi JF,
If the vapor barrier for your exterior wall is on the inside of the studs then the redgard will take the place of it. If it is on the outside of the studs then leave it, it won’t interfere with the redgard. You need to do one or the other, mixing them (barrier on the exterior wall, redgard on interior) won’t work as water could get behind your exterior wall from the inside corners.
Hi Roger. First off, thank you for all of your great advice! I did purchase the manual bundle for tiling a shower. I’m redoing my entire bathroom, and have a question on the substrate to use. My 1950’s bathroom has 1/4″ drywall, then 1/2″ plasterboard. Should I use 1/2″ drywall, then 1/4″ Hardibacker? Or should I use 1/4″ drywall, then 1/2″ Hardibacker. I will be joining this to the old substrate part way up the wall. The top row of 12″ tile will be bridging from the old to the new, then bull nose on top of that.
Also, should I put silicone between the top of the tub and the bottom of my wall after tiling? Since I’ll have two wall surfaces, the drywall would stop just above the raised edge of the tub, and the hardibacker would come down to 1/16″ from the top of the tub. Of course I’ll leave a couple of weep holes.
Thanks for your help.
Hey Brian,
Doesn’t make any difference whether you use the thicker backer or drywall, either will work just as well. Yes, you should silicone with weep holes after tiling it.
Hey Roger, I seriously can’t believe how much information you have on your site. Awesome…
CBU taping question for you. In taping my cbu, i applied the thinset, then put the tape down, then put another thin layer of thinset over the tape. In trying to keep it pretty flush, I ended up pulling most of the thinset off of the joint. In other words, the mesh is embedded in the thinset, but the mesh is pretty much right on the surface (mesh tape visible). Is this ok or does the tape need to be fully embedded? If so, should I just put another coat of thinset over the joints? I tried to find the info lots of places, but no info. Using durock and Flexbond.
Thanks!!!!
Hi Brooks,
It’s fine, it’ll be fully embedded in thinset once you install your tile. As long as it’s embedded now it doesn’t matter that you can see the top of it, it’s fine.
Cool thanks. However, we are waterproofing with Hydro Ban. Any difference due to that?
Also, the supplier where I purchased the hydro ban recommended a “fibered bedding mix” for the deck mud shower pan. I cut it down with a little extra sand (mfg said it was 80-20 sand/cement). There are the typical small fibers protruding from the surface of the deck mud. You see that causing any issues with the Hydro Ban?
Sorry, thought you were talking about a floor. Don’t know why…? Makes no difference anyway, you can go ahead and install your hydroban over it.
It may cause problems with your hydroban layer. I would skim coat over the mud bed before installing it to smooth it down.
I am also going to do a strip of accent (glass bubbles) and was going to use (per your suggestions) ¼ notch trowel for tile and 1/4 v-notch trowel for glass accent with white thinset mortar. Here is the dilemma, for tile I will have to use non-sanded grout but glass bubble pieces (various size circles) will have large gaps. I suppose I could use same color sanded grout just for the accent part but I would rather stick to same material for everything. Would polyurethane grout be a good choice for that? I know it’s expensive and you can’t even buy it in regular home improvement stores but, supposedly, it is a good product all around and you don’t have to seal it, ever. Ever sound good to me when it comes to caulking, grouting etc. What is your opinion on this grout?
Urethane is good, as is epoxy. Either will work for all your tile.
Thanks for the tips–they are very informative for a novice like me! I’m hanging Hardiboard around my shower/tub and have a question about how to handle the outside corners. The Hardiboard will be on one side of the corner and drywall on the other side. Should the drywall cover the edge of Hardiboard at the corner? Or, should the Hardiboard cover the edge of the drywall? If it is the latter, then how do cover the seam that is created by the edge of Hardiboard? I’m not using bullnose tiles around the corner. Instead the tile will run to the edge of the shower wall and the edge of the tile will be covered by a metal strip. Thanks for any help you can provide.
Hi Brian,
Doesn’t matter. The seam needs to be taped and mudded or a plastic corner bead used.
Have a few questions. Bear with me, I ‘m a stickler for details.
1. I am installing a niche (Redi Niche) on an outside wall, is that acceptable? Do I need to go with plastic sheeting behind the niche and do I need to add Styrofoam sheet behind the niche for insulation? I am planning on using Redguard too.
2. I am remodeling an old bathroom and old tile was fastened to a mortar bed on a wire mesh (about an inch thick all together). I have it all ripped out and planning on using a 1/2 Durock BUT there is a variable gap (1/8 -3/8) between a tub and wall studs that old thick mortar bed compensated for so if I fasten the backerboard directly over the studs the backerboard will not go over the tub lip in most areas. As a solurion to this I am planning on going with 3/8 plywood over stud first and then fasten backerboard onto it. Is that acceptable? Do I need plastic sheeting to go between plywood and backerboard and do I need it at all if I use Redguard?
Thank you very much,
Matt
Hi Matt,
1. It depends on your climate and how cold you like your shampoo. No plastic behind it, you should have insulation of some sort behind it.
2. Plywood will work, but it would be much better to rip 1 1/2″ strip of ply then attach them to the face of the studs. You’re simply extending the studs. No plastic with redgard.
Thank you Roger for such prompt response. I’m in Memphis where it does not get too cold so I should be ok with the niche.
I like the idea of waterproofing with Readguard but I’m a bit concerned about tiling directly over the Redguard. Essentially, Redguard is what would hold tile on the wall. If it fails, the tile is going to come lose. I have never used Redguard before and not sure how well it bonds to both backer board and tile. In my mind if it is waterproof it must be some sort of rubberized material that can peel off over time.
Also, I am planning on using 3×6 plain white glazed tiles in staggered pattern (subway) and since there is no 3×3 tile of this type on the market I will have to cut some end tiles in half. In corners it is not a problem but on a front edge by a bullnose tile the cut edge is not going to look good. HD sells a grinding stone to file and round up a cut edge but it will still not look like a factory edge. That edge will not be glazed. Is there any solution to that?
HI Matt,
Redgard and other liquid membranes are specifically formulated to bond well to both backer and tile (thinset). That’s what it’s made for. Installed properly it will not fail.
The cut edges of the tile will not be glazed, but the edges of the tile don’t show. The grout should be nearly flush with the face of the tile, this covers the cut edge. Get one of those stones to smooth the edges and you won’t see them.
Hi Roger,
I have read that you said to leave a gap between the lip of the tub and the Backerboard. After reading some comments I understand I should fill this gap with silicone otherwise water will run down and get behind the studs. Once I do that I will waterproof. Once I tile what do I do with the tile that meets the lip of the tub? Caulk under that too? Or just leave it?
My thoughts are if water gets behind there how will it drain down into the tub if I caulk under the tile too? Won’t it just stay trapped between the waterproof board and tile if it’s caulked on both sides?
Thanks!
Hi Hogan,
If you are using the topical waterproofing method then yes, that’s how you do it. You need to leave weep holes for water to escape.
Hi Roger,
I’m doing my first real tiling job and your advice has been invaluable. I’m taping and using thin-set on the joints of the backerboard. Exactly how perfectly smooth and flat are these joints supposed to be? There are some areas where two of the pieces are not completely flush or smooth. Am I supposed to attempt to even these out with the thin-set? And some of the screws are not completely counter sunk into the backerboard. Will these inconsistencies screw up my tile job? Do I use extra thinset on some tiles to try to smooth these out? Many thanks!
Patty
Hi Patty,
If your inconsistencies are less than about 1/16″ or so then you can make up for that when you set tile (with the thinset for the tile). If they are more than that it should be addressed before attempting tile. Either by floating out or reinstalling the pieces along the seam with proper shimming and redriving the screws so they are flush.
Roger,
Thank you for your reply! You need to have your own show on HGTV or DIY. You’re very generous to share all of your knowledge! Here’s a surprise, I just have one more question ;).
My shower has a window on one wall and 2 built in niches on another wall (niches are on top of one another, not side-by-side). I’m using 2×4 subway tiles and as an accent I have a few “sheets” of 1×2 glass tiles. I plan on using a row of 3 glass tiles all the way around the shower and inside the niches. Here’s my dilemma, I don’t know where to start tiling. I want to have whole tiles up to the ledge of the window, but I’d also like whole tiles up to the edge of the niches. Problem is, based on location, there’s no way to accommodate putting whole tiles up to the edge of ALL of these openings. I don’t know where to start tiling. Do you have any suggestions? Should I start at the window ledge and move down? Is it ok if I end up having to cut smaller pieces around the openings? I’m concerned that it won’t be aesthetically pleasing. I also wonder if using the smaller pieces around the openings would compromise the integrity of the tile job.
Again, many thanks for your help. I’m not sure how you manage to maintain this site and hold down a job at the same time!
Patty
I would begin at the window ledge and move down. Everything else falls where it will. The window is the biggest focal point in the shower and what people will see first, make it look like it fits. Smaller tiles will not do anything to the integrity of the installation (unless you have slivers somewhere).
Hi Roger,
So I started tiling at the window and moved down. I must have made smaller grout lines than I had anticipated and ended up with 3/4 inch between the last row of tiles and my shower pan.
I’m guessing I shouldn’t fill this space with slivers of tile. Should I grout the gap or use silicone or both? Is there any way to disguise/fix this gap so that it doesn’t look like I did a crap job?
Thanks again,
Patty
Neither. Put tile in there. It will not look great, but I guarantee it’ll look so much better than silicone or grout.
Heya, great info!
Quick question…when taping the seams of the backerboard, do you need to ‘mud’ over the screws? I suppose it doesnt hurt to do, but is it needed?
Hi Doug,
You’re correct, it doesn’t hurt, but it isn’t needed.
I am putting up backer board for my shower walls should I treat it before I thinset my tile in place for extra water protection? If I do, won’t it cause the thinset and cement board to not adhere as well, maybe causing the tile fall off?
Hi Greg,
Backer is not waterproof at all, so yes you need some sort of waterproofing either on it or behind it. No, it does not affect the bonding properties of thinset.
Roger,
I will be adding HardieBacker to my shower walls when I complete the cement pan. After I tape and thinset the joints I plan on waterproofing the backer board and pan with Laticrete Hydroban. My question is, do I need to add a vapor barrier (6 mil plastic sheeting) behind the HardieBacker to the studs even if it the entire shower has been waterproofed?
Thanks!
-Dave
Hi Dave,
No vapor barrier behind the backer when using hydroban (unless it’s a steam shower).
Roger,
Sorry if this was answered before but I did a search and nothing came up. When preparing the studs for the backer board, how much of a gap (if any) do you allow from stud to stud. I placed a 5′ level across a few studs and some are set back by almost 1/8 .
• What do you do in this situation?
• Can I rip some 2×4’s to the thicknesses that I need to compensate for the difference?
• Or leave as is an build up with thin set?
Thank you so much for your time.
Hi Monika,
You can rip wood to shim out the backer, or you can use regular drywall shims. Anything that will bring the face of the studs out to where they are all on the same plane will work. Don’t use thinset, it will crack out of there eventually.
I don’t understand what you mean by the amount of gap from stud to stud, do you mean what you’ve described? If so then none, they should be on the same plane.
Thanks Roger, yup by gap I meant the difference each one sticks out/is set back out when you hold a straight edge to it. Thanks, darn it that’s gonna be a lot of work. Thanks again.
Howdy!
Thanks for the site, it has been amazingly helpful! My question is a result of me being a newbie, but oh well, mistakes happen
So, i installed the backer board and sealed the seams as directed, except I did a piss poor job of smoothing out the thinset. I figured why make it perfect if I’m just going to cover it with tile (Mistake #1). Next, I used the redguard, but here is where I made Mistake #2, I miss judged how far out the tile was going to go from the shower. So now, I have rough thinset both covered and not covered in redguard on my wall. Any suggestions on how to fix this – smooth it out, sand it down, chemical application – so I can paint my wall?
Sorry I’m a doofus!
Cheers,
Tara
Hi Tara,
No biggie, you can sand it down and paint over it.
Suggested grit/device? I’ve tried a belt sander (unknown grit) and a hand sander (80) grit and neither made a dent in it
I would suggest:
Sand [best you can] the Thinset patches
Trowel a thin coat of Plaster of Paris over the entire exposed area until the Thinset patch is no longer visible and blends with the surrounding surfaces
Sand the re plastered wall, check for imperfections, replaster where needed
Apply a water based drywall sealer and sand lightly when dry [24 to 48 hours at normal room temperature]
Apply 2 coats of a kitchen and bath paint, gloss or semi gloss[ ensure paint has some anti-fungicide in its formulation]
I don’t understand this answer. Why paint the surface with a gloss or semi gloss kitchen and bath paint when the plan is to tile over it. Doesn’t the paint reduce the ability for the tile to adhere?
“I miss judged how far out the tile was going to go from the shower. So now, I have rough thinset both covered and not covered in redguard on my wall.”
She is looking for a solution to make the non-tiled, exposed thinset smooth.
I normally use 60 or 80 grit in a regular hand sander. What Doroteo said will work well also for a start-to-finish.
I understand the waterproofing of the traditional installation by installing the plastic sheeting behind the backerboard. It makes sense to me but my husband, who is sometimes right about such things, says that there will be condensation on the outside of the plastic – on the shower wall that is against the outside wall of the house if we tack plastic all of the way up that wall. He wants to do it just half way up – where he says most of the water strikes the wall. What do you think?
MJ
Hi MJ,
Condensation will likely happen on the exterior side of the barrier, as it does on the exterior side of every barrier in every house with exterior walls – shower or not.
That condensation, however, will dissipate into the wall cavity without any problem. If that’s what he wants to do it will likely be fine, but I would not do it in any of my showers.
Hi Floor Elf – Great site! My question is: I’ve got a Maax drop-in tub with the curvature along the edge such that there is 1/2″ gap between the studs and the tub (I have it set in an alcove). The tiling flange therefore won’t go behind the CBU the way it is, but will just go over the CBU. Can I waterproof it like that – Redgard over the CBU and upper part of flange & then tile? If that won’t work, why not?
Thanks
Dunstan
Hi Dunstan,
No, you can’t. Because if the transition between the backer and tub is ever compromised your water will run down into the wall rather than down into the tub. If you can move it so the backer is actually just a bit over the flange then you can seal it, but you should not seal it with the backer behind the flange.
Thanks for the speedy reply! Not what I wanted to hear – not sure how I can solve this one.
Is it off both studs on the left and right 1/2″? And do the walls abut a wall in the same plane, or are there corners at the corner of the tub?
Hey Roger,
Need to pick your brain again. I have installed cement board embedded the tape, skimmed the joints with thinset. I have applied The Elf recommended 3 coats of Regdgard. Where the cement board on the shower wall meets the drywall ceiling I put Fiba tape there and skimmed the joint with thinset. My question is where the Fiba tape is on the sheetrock for the ceiling, can I use drywall compound to here? or do I use thinset on the sheetrock too???… P.S. Is this Broncos vs Ravens ever going to start???…
Hey Scott,
You can use either provided you don’t have a header across the front of your shower which would trap vapor. It’s half-time now, guess I’m late.
No header. Shower stall meets ceiling on three sides, no header. Also, I did add an exhaust fan, during construction. Never understood why, for Pete’s sake in South Florida they do not put EF’s in the bathrooms down here!!!!!!!!….. I will go the compound route, easier to feather & sand.. Thanks Roger… Go Broncos!!!!!!!…..
Are your manuals a download or are they a heard copy? I would like one of the packages.
Also in my bathroom there is an outside wall with black plastic wrap on several of the outside wall studs – not all – am I to wrap the outside wall studs in black plastic and then add the vapour barrier with insulation????
Thanks John
Hi John,
All my manuals are downloads. No need to wrap the wall studs which are not wrapped, just install insulation where needed and install your barrier.
Hi Roger, I am installing HardieBacker 500 on the walls above my tub. However, this stuff isn’t 1/2″ thick. It’s only 0.42″. So when the HardieBacker meets the sheetrock (past the tub but on the same wall), there will be a step. Is there a reason why Hardie doesn’t make their cement board the same thickness as standard sheetrock? And how do you suggest I get around this? Thank you.
Aha, I found the answer on another one of your pages:
http://floorelf.com/drywall-to-backerboard-transition-in-tiled-showers
But I’d still like to know why the cement board is intentionally manufactured thinner than drywall.
Hey Bill,
I think it’s so the layer of thinset beneath the tile will be flush with the sheetrock, so your tile sits flush. That’s my take on it, anyway, I’ve never been given an answer when I’ve asked that question. You can shim out the backer to be flush with the sheetrock if you want.
Should the wall to ceiling gap be taped as the others, or can it be left untaped, as it’s above the shower head?
Technically it should be taped as well. Nothing to do with waterproofing, structural purposes. It ties everything together so it doesn’t separate with movement over time. Realistically you can leave it and silicone between the ceiling and the tile – if you’re tiling all the way up. If you’re not it needs to be taped and mudded, which you should do anyway.
Ok, Thanks….