Installing cement backerboard is one of the more popular choices for a shower wall substrate. Cement backerboards include Hardiebacker, Durock, Fiberboard, wonderboard, and similar products. These materials bridge the gap between expense and effectiveness. When installed properly they will give you many, many years of durable shower construction.

The advantage of cement backerboards is that, while not waterproof, they are dimensionally stable when wet. That just means that when they get wet they do not swell up. Any swelling behind tile is a bad thing. It will lead to cracking grout, tile, and all sorts of bad things.

Waterproofing your studs

To install the backerboard you must have a vapor barrier between it and the wooden wall studs. While the backerboard will not swell when wet, your wall studs will. You must prevent any moisture from reaching them. The preferred material for a vapor barrier would be 4 mil or thicker plastic sheeting which can be purchased at places like Home Depot or any hardware store. You can also use tar paper or roofing paper, the thick black paper used under shingles. Although I personally do not use that, it is an acceptable barrier.

Starting with your bare wall studs on your shower walls simply take your plastic sheeting and staple it to the wall studs completely covering the entire surface which will be inside your shower. You can also use silicone instead of staples to adhere it to the studs. Make sure you overlap all the edges. Just hang it all up there like you’re hanging wallpaper. You want it covering the framing enough that if you were to spray the walls with a hose the wall studs and framing would not get wet.

At the bottom of the barrier you will want it to overlap on the shower side of the tub or shower base. That is you want it so that any water that runs down the plastic sheeting will roll off into the tub rather than behind the tub. Overlap the lip of the tub or base and silicone the back of the barrier to keep it in place.

Installing the backerboard

Now for the backerboard. Lay out your backerboards for the best fit on the walls. They can go up vertically or horizontally, it makes no difference. With a regular tub surround with a five foot back wall it is usually easier to use two horizontal sheets along the back wall and one vertical on each of the sides. (This assumes 3 X 5 foot backerboard sheets.)

All backerboards are cut by scoring and snapping. You do not need a saw for them. While there are special scoring tools specifically for this you can easily do it with a regular utility knife. While all these backerboards are essentially identical in their effectiveness as a substrate, some are more easily cut. Durock, in my opinion, is the most difficult. I personally prefer hardiebacker or fiberboard. Make sure you check the website for whichever you choose for specific instructions.

To fasten the backerboard to the framing you have a couple of choices. A lot of professionals simply use galvanized roofing nails. While this is perfectly acceptable, I prefer screws over nails when possible. Hardi makes specific screws for their backerboard which can also be used for all backerboards. These are manufactured with ribs beneath the head of the screw which help it cut into the backerboard and countersink so the head is flush. If your local big box or hardware store carries them, they will be in the tile section. You can also use just about any type of corrosion resistant screw. Anything that can be used for an outside deck can be used for your backerboard.

Fasten your backerboard to your shower framing with a screw or nail about every 8 – 12 inches. I would also suggest using a straight-edge along your wall while doing this so that you can shim out any areas where the wall studs may not be straight. The flatter your backerboard is installed, the easier your tile installation will be. Take your time, the beer isn’t going anywhere.

Allow for movement!

You do not want to butt the backerboards against one another. You need to leave a small gap at every change of plane. That includes corners, walls to ceilings, and walls to tubs or floors. There needs to be room for expansion and contraction.

Wood moves – always. It’s just a fact of life. The secret to dealing with the movement is to ensure the movement will not interfere with the tile. Leaving this small gap will allow for movement of the sheets enough so that they do not force against one another and push out. While the backerboard itself is very stable, you are still attaching it to wood.

If you have a tub or shower base you will also want to stop the backerboard about 1/8 inch above the lip. You do not want to run the board over the edge of the lip because it will cause the backerboard to bow out and your wall will not be flat. It will also allow the tub or shower base to move a bit – it’s attached to the wooden studs as well. Tubs also move when they are filled with water. You need to allow for that movement.

I usually leave about a 1/16 to 1/8 inch gap between the sheets of backerboard. This allows for thinset to lock into the entire thickness of your backerboard when you tape and mud your seams. We’ll cover that part in a minute.

Don’t allow for movement! (Confused yet?)

If your shower framing is such that you cannot place the edges of all the backerboards directly over a stud you will need to add more studs. You may do this with regular 2 X 4’s screwed to the present framing vertically or horizontally as needed. You must make sure that every edge of the backerboard is supported so if the wall is pushed or leaned on in that spot it does not move. You want solid walls.

Final step

The last thing you must do is mud and tape your seams. Similar to regular drywall all of your in-plane  joints must be taped. To do this you just use regular thinset and alkali-resistant fiberglass mesh tape. You can find the tape in the tile section – it’s similar to regular fiberglass drywall tape, but it specifically manufactured to be alkali resistant. Make sure it is alkali-resistant because your thinset contains alkali which will gradually erode regular tape thus defeating the purpose.

There are two ways to address the corners. The industry standard, and the way you should do it, is to tape and mud the corner joint as well. Most backerboard manufacturers recommend this, as do the handbook standards. I only do that about half the time – I’m a rebel like that. 8)

*The other half of the time I only tape and mud the in-plane joints – the gaps in the same wall, not the corners. With the corners I fill the gap with silicone. I do this to allow the different planes of the walls to move in different directions, which they will do whether you like it or not. Allowing this movement in the substrate compensates for excess stress in certain applications. This is something that I do, it is not industry standard and you will likely not find anyone else recommending doing this. So when you get the conflicting information about this – that’s why. :D

Fill all the gaps in your seams with thinset (you left gaps there, right?) then embed the tape into it. Then go over the tape with more thinset to smooth everything out. This will lock everything together and give you a continuous, solid substrate for your tile. That’s what you’re looking for.

When properly installed cement backerboards will create a rock solid, extremely durable substrate for your tile installation. Taking time and care to solidify what is behind or beneath your tile is the only way to guarantee a lasting installation. Your tile is only as durable as what it is installed upon.

As always if you have any questions at all please feel free to leave a comment.

Hardiebacker Website

Durock Website

Need More Information?

I now have manuals describing the complete process for you from bare wall studs all the way up to a completely waterproof shower substrate for your tile. If you are tiling your walls and floor you can find that one here: Waterproof shower floor and wall manual.

If you have a tub or pre-formed shower base and are only tiling the walls you can find that one here: Waterproof shower walls manual.

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  • Tim

    Just finished putting up the backerboard permabase. Screwed and liquid nailed to the studs. The permabase web site shows conflicting remarks concerning gaps. One place shows 1/16″ the other shows butt together without force no gap which is what I saw first. Thus, the only gaps I have are at the floor and ceiling and in the corners. Another place in their website show joints every 30 linear ft which I certainly have. My question, do I need to cut gaps at these joints that are butted together. Seem odd to me that gaps are called for but we fill them with thinset and make them like rocks in the end. Look forward to your comment.

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    • Roger

      Hey Tim,

      As long as you tape and mud them it’ll be fine. Ideally there should be gaps so the thinset can lock into both boards from the sides as well, but it should be just fine.

      • Tim

        One other item that might be useful, I plan on covering everything with kerdi.

        • Roger

          It will be fine with the kerdi – don’t need to tape and mud it.

  • joseph

    Hey Roger,

    when I installed my tub the manufacturer specified screws with washers over the flange. No problem. But when I installed the hardiebacker 500 I could only get it no closer than 1/4″ (maybe slightly more) above the flange/lip. I plan to use kerdie over the gap and seal with kerdiefix or similar sealant. 1) what do you use to make sure the tile flange is clean before using kerdi fix? 2) Should I fill this 1/4″+ gap with thinset or silicone before using kerdi over gap? 3) I was thinking about applying kerdi horizontally instead of vertically and then overlapping the upper over lower to ensure no water gets behind. Do you think I should bother or just install vertically? 4) how much water should I apply to the hardiebacker before hanging kerdi to prevent it from messing up the kerdi install? Thanks for the answers and I am sure more questions to come.

    • Roger

      Hey Joseph,

      1. denatured alcohol.

      2. No, just leave it open.

      3. You can install kerdi in whichever direction and overlapped in any manner, it’s always waterproof if you have a 2″ overlap.

      4. You want it ssd – saturated, surface dry. Wipe it down two or three times with a wet sponge, let the surface dry and repeat until it seams all the water is just on the surface when you wipe it.

      • joseph

        Thanks Roger for the info. Once it appears the backerboard is saturated and only appears on the surface as I wipe, do I allow the surface to dry for a final time or go ahead and start applying the kerdi?

        • Roger

          Yes, allow the surface to dry before beginning installation.

  • jansmith

    question. just had to rip out 2ft by 2ft area of old shower stall to replace 1950’s controll valve…2 inches of mortar.. do you place the backer board flush with the other existing tile or do i leave a one half inch of mortar to back my new tile on it… i used a grinder with a diamond blade to cut out mortar and to chisel tile and mortar out. i realize i have to have my studs and framing level.. just confused because had been recommended by plumber to perform with one half inch mortar border but it is irregular and not perfect.. can you help? thanks

    • Roger

      Hi Jan,

      Not too sure what that area looks like now but what you want to end up with is the backerboard flush with the mortar bed behind the existing tile and where the old mortar bed was.

  • Robert

    With Durock the label states that when using mastic to install with the smooth side out and when using motor install with the rough side out. If one was going to install porcelain tile using thin set it would indicate that the Durock would be rough side out, would it not? Thanks, Robert

    • Roger

      Hi Robert,

      That’s correct, but in reality it doesn’t really matter which side you have out.

  • Cathy

    Hi Roger, I’ve been reading all the good advice but want to double check a couple things as I’m getting ready to finish the shower walls. I used a preformed pan and hung the concrete board with slight gap above the lip. Should I use the mortar to fill the gap between pan and concrete board and for the corners I was going to install metal corner beads and smooth out with mortar. I’m not convinced that is necessary after reading all the posts. Doesn’t look like I need them.

    • Roger

      Hi Cathy,

      If it’s a preformed acrylic pan then no, don’t fill that gap with anything. Thinset will crack out of there. If it’s a preformed pan made for tiling then yes, use thinset in there. No need for the corner beads.

  • Robert

    Hi,
    Great info. thanks!
    What about the ceiling? Does it need to be redone with backer board etc.?

    • Roger

      Hi Robert,

      It doesn’t need backer, but it doesn’t hurt.

  • Rupert

    Hi Roger,

    Great informative site, thank you for doing this! I have a question about using different types of backerboard in the same space. I purchased Hardiebacker and installed it on the back wall of the shower. When I went back a week later to the box store to get more hardiebacker they only had PermaBase. The PermaBase would be for the other two walls in the shower enclosure. Would using different backerboard brands cause any issues, or should I seek out a supply of Hardiebacker for the other two walls?

    • Roger

      Hi Rupert,

      No issues at all with that. You’ll be fine using both.

      • Rupert

        Roger,

        Thanks for the quick response and setting my mind at ease!

  • Eric

    Hi Roger,
    I’m installing 1/2″ Hardi over a Swanstone shower pan. The instructions say to mount the wet board 1/2″ above the flange of the shower pan. I know you’ve written about this somewhere and I’m almost sure you’ve recommended leaving a gap that was less than 1/2.” I know we didn’t leave a 1/2″ when we hung the Hardi over our tub surround. I was wondering what size of gap you normally recommend to prevent wicking.

    • Eric

      So as soon as I sent the email I found where you mention leaving 1/8″ above the lip. So, is there really any reason to leave the 1/2″ the manufacturer recommends?

    • Roger

      Hi Eric,

      It’s not a gap to prevent wicking, it’s a gap to compensate for differential movement. Wicking is prevented via your waterproofing method. If you are using a topical waterproofing it is tied directly to the arm of the shower pan, to seal one to the other. If using the traditional method the back of your barrier is siliconed to the arm of the shower base.

      In the second scenario water may still wick, but it doesn’t make any difference since your waterproofing is behind your backer.

      I normally leave a 1/8″ – 1/4″ gap.

      • Eric

        Thank you – the instructions say the 1/2″ gap is to prevent wicking. We are using Redgard over the Hardi, so whether I leave a 1/8″ or 1/4″ gap, as long as I seal that gap with silicone calk I should be be okay? (and it seems it would be a lot easier to seal a smaller gap than a larger one).

        • Roger

          Yup, 1/8″ gap and silicone.

  • Ryan

    I am currently constructing a 32 by 55 enclosed tile shower. Do you recommend using backer board on the ceiling or drywall. I am going to be using Kerdi for the waterproofing and have always assumed I would use it on the ceiling too. Does that sound right or is it overkill.

    • Roger

      Hey Ryan,

      Either one is fine. I use kerdi on the ceiling when I tile it too.

  • Mike

    I am in the process of redoing my primary bathroom (wall, floor, fixtures). I have two questions. The lower portion of the back wall behind the tub will be tiled the top however will be left with the existing drywall. On the top there are two layers of 3/8 drywall. Should I just shim the lower portion or use some other material under the 1/2 inch backerboard. Secondly my water wall is only framed with 2×3 with stringers running across to give depth. I have to cut some of the stringers to replace the shower valve, etc. I am concerned that the tile /drywall transition will be weak. should I gut the whole wall and remove the stringers and marry 2×4 to the 2×3 or try to just beef up the transition.

    • Roger

      Hey Mike,

      I would shim the backer in the lower portion. I would also rebuild that wall, but if you can make it sturdy by sistering joists or something else that’s acceptable. I prefer to rebuild things, though.

  • kevin

    Goodday….Some months ago, (I think one of your tips), you described how to apply backerboard to studs that were not perfectly flat…something about applying a bead of adhesive to the face of the studs, and then applying the backerboard onto the adhesive….I searched most threads that I would have expected to find this , but to no avail…..can you briefly repeat the process….I’ll bookmark it this time…..promise.

    • Roger

      Hi Kevin,

      That is one of the TileTips. Here it is:

      Simply place a bead of adhesive along the entire length of the wall studs and press the substrate board on the wall. You may need to place a larger bead in spots that are considerably out of whack. You want enough on there to have full support along the entire length of the studs. Place the wall substrate up to the studs enough to contact the adhesive, then pull it away, then place them up to the studs again. The act of removing them then replacing them will actually make the adhesive grip the substrate much more effectively.

      After you place the substrate up the second time place your level on the substrate and push in the areas of the board which are not flat or level. Get the board completely flat and level and place only one or two screws at the top only to hold the board in place temporarily. Do not screw them all the way in yet. This may cause that area of the board to be pressed in too much and throw your wall out of level again.

      The construction adhesive will cure hard and hold the substrate in place while it does so. You can come back the next day and screw the substrate into the studs to install the tile over. You still need to screw the board in place – the adhesive will not hold it strongly enough to install tile. What you are doing is effectively creating a perfectly sized shim for your wall in the form of the adhesive. Once it cures it will shim out your wall perfectly so you can have a perfectly flat and level substrate.

      • kevin

        It’s a great idea….Thanks for your help……

  • Marco

    If I set my Durock against the shower floor, and build (throw, pound) my mud against it, opting for two coats of Hydroban to be my waterproofing method, I should be alright, right? (Nervous about leaks… bathroom project from hell…) Of course, bottom third of shower studs, and floor, will have tar paper on them. Thanks!

    • Roger

      Hey Marco,

      Yes, provided those two coats are the proper thickness (it’s on the bucket). You need a total thickness about the depth of a credit card. Many, many showers out there with hydroban, about 50 of them are mine.

      • Marco

        Wow, you sleep as much as I do! :rockon: Really appreciate the advice, Roger. Read all I could on liquid membranes and liked what I read about Hydroban. (Price was reasonable, too!) Should I cut out some of my Oatey and place under my drain divot? I was thinking about a two foot diameter piece, in case the divot fails? (I was an idiot and didn’t spend the extra on a Kerdi or Laticrete drain. Do have a nice Kohler square top drain, though!)

        • Roger

          Nope, just do the divot. Sometimes overkill is not a good thing. :D If you want to put roofing felt beneath your mud bed that will be fine.

  • Oscar C.

    Very clear and helpful. Thanks!

  • Christina

    You can ignore the question above, I was drunk, no my husband decided to buy redgard instead of the kerdi. But I do have another question…we only have two walls with tile, the third wall will be a glass enclosure, so where do you put the weeping holes? On the wall adjacent to the back it will 1″ from back wall, but do you need to put one on the back wall? If so, where? Thanks in advance!

    • Roger

      You can put them wherever you want. As long as there is somewhere at the base of the walls for the water to drain it will be fine. I normally place them 1″ from the ends of the walls, wherever that may be.

  • Christina

    We are getting ready to tile our new shower and had some questions. We placed a vapor barrier behind the cement board, but do we need to waterproof over the cement board? We have a shower pan, I think from your posts we need to silicone where the pan and cement board meet? I did read your niche posts, but would you place the tile on the niche walls so that it meets the main tile, so ou would see the niche tile edge, or cut the niche wall tiles a little smaller and have the main tile cover the niche cut tile but leave those ends exposed? Unfortunately, the tile we purchased doesn’t have trim or bullnose so would it look horrible?

    • Roger

      Hey Christina,

      If you have a barrier behind the backer you do not need a topical membrane over the face. It’s one or the other, not both. You need to the back of the barrier to the pan flange, do not seal the backer to the pan, water won’t be able to drain off the barrier.

      If you don’t have a bullnose you can get a schluter edge trim (same thing used for doorway transitions). If you want to leave edges exposed I would probably have the edges of the tile in the niche showing, at least it will overlap the wall tile. You could also get something like a pencil rail and trim the niche with it to cover the edges.

      • Christina

        Thanks for the answers. Another question for you, we made our niches and have applied cement board. Apparently there is no vapor barrier on this wall so we need to use the kerdi membrane, but would it be easier to do the niche first and then just lay the sheet of membrane over and carefully cut it out over the niche?

        • Christina

          Shoot must have clicked in the wrong spot, read above my original post and ignore the question directly above about kerdi membrane and niches.

        • Roger

          Hi Christina,

          Yes, if that’s the way you want to do it. Nothing wrong with that method at all.

  • Beatrice

    Hi. My contractor did not tape the seams under the backerboard of my new shower. Most of the wall tile is up. I have no idea what he did or did not do in the corners. Is there any fix for this other than ripping out all the tile and essentially starti.g over? I fired him.
    thanks
    Beatrice

    • Roger

      Hi Beatrice,

      Not really any other option. I would go ahead and just finish it up. The fact that they’re not taped does not guarantee a failure, it’s just another step to eliminate a possible failure. It may be fine without being taped and mudded.

  • Jake

    Hey Roger, I purchased both your Traditional shower pan installation manual as well as the topical shower pan installation manual, and they are extremely helpful!!!! However there is one part to which I am a little confused, I have done some research on the topic of where the backer board meets the final shower pan (the mud pan on top of the liner) and am still confused so I have a question or two for you.

    Sooooo as I understand their are two methods to which this transition from the bottom of the cement backerboard to the shower pan can be done, 1) build the final mud pan so that it actually buries the bottom inch or two of the backerboard, or 2) as I see you have done by the pictures in your manual build the final mud pan and then install the backerboard so that the backerboard is not actually set in the mud pan? I think this is correct….
    soooooo 1) how do you handle this transition where the concrete board is installed after the final mud pan as I see you have done through your delightful pictures, Do you simply rest the bottom of the backer board on the mud pan, or do you elevate it an eighth of an inch or so and then caulk this joint perhaps?? 2) Which method would you advise? build the final mud pan so the bottom of the backer is actually in the mud or install the backer after the pan has been created?

    Thanks so much for your help and sorry for the lengthy post I know youmust be verybusy, It is MUCH appreciated!

    • Roger

      Hey Jake,

      It depends on how you are waterproofing your shower. Normally if I’m using the traditional method I’ll bury the backer in the mud. This keeps the bottom in place well. I also prefer that with the topical method, then you can simply create a solid plane with no break. If and when I install the board after the mud I’ll shim out the backer so it stays on a flat plane and doesn’t bump out at the bottom. If it’s the traditional method you don’t need to do anything at the bottom, it’s already waterproofed. If you’re using the topical method you can silicone or caulk that transition and paint the liquid right over it once it’s cured, or you can tape and mud it, let it cure, then paint the liquid over it.

      I prefer to bury the backer in the mud when I can. (It’s more of a timing issue on jobs rather than a particular method)

      • Jake

        Hey Roger, there is only one thing that your very informative traditional shower pan installation manual has not cleared up in my mind, and that is; how exactly you achieve the perfect slope between the shower drain and shower walls on the final mud deck. You described measuring the height of a 2 by 4 on the top of the shower drain and transferring this measurement to the perimeter walls and using a laser to achieve a level outside perimeter. (which is a GAREAT idea) However how exactly do you achieve a perfectly pitched slope from the drain to this outside perimeter after packing the mud in between the perimeter and the drain? Do you then simply use a float or a piece of wood for instance to screed with in order to create this perfect slope free of humps and dips? As well would the mud not be easier to play with or to shape if it were more wet and not so dry as you describe in your manual? Thanks Rog, Youve been beyond helpful!!

        • Roger

          Hey Jake,

          Yes, you use a metal or wooden straight-edge as a screed to cut off excess mud between the perimeter pack and the drain. To me, no, it would not be easier with wet mud. I used to think so until I really started playing in the mud. Two main reasons:

          1. Wetter mud will pull the mud behind and under it as you pull the screed stick over it. It’s a little stickier and will drag surrounding mud as you try to level it.

          2. Once you do get that perfectly flat slope, when you come back the next day after it cures it’ll no longer be perfect or flat. The more water you put in the mix the more water will evaporate. As it evaporates the mud shrinks. As the mud shrinks it will pull your perfectly flat bowl into a perfectly curvy mini-skate park. :D

          Both of those will piss you off to no end. Really.

  • J Wright

    Geez. Thanks. That’s some helpful advice you can’t find anywhere else. I’m going to have some questions in about a week though.

  • Nick

    I have hung my cement board and using the liner membrane system on the shower and was thinking about sealing all joints with KerdiBand rather than the mesh tape. Is this a good idea? I thought it could give the added benefit of water resistance at the joints, but what about added strenght? Thanks

    • Roger

      Hey Nick,

      It will do both. That’ll work just fine.

      • Nick

        Thanks for the quick reply … 1 more question about this. what’s the best way to fill in those screw heads / holes? If I have left over kerdi band, should I cut small squares and patch with this? or am I just “playing in the mud” (as you would say, LOL). thanks

        • Roger

          You can use the kerdi band or cover them with silicone.

          • Nick

            and at the floor pan to wall transition … run a strip of Kerdi band here as well or is it not necessary if I’m using the membrane method? thanks

            • Roger

              No need for anything at the floor. The waterproofing is already handled and any movement is compensated with in the mud bed (sand).

  • Barry

    I’d like to put some reinforcement behind the tile that overlaps the shower base lip. Assuming I stop the cement board above the lip, that leaves about 3/4 inch or so of tile hanging below the cement board … with a 3/16 gap at the bottom for caulk. Note the lip is about 1 inch … and has some screws into the studs … so it is not entirely flat. It is also half the thickness of the 1/2 inch cement board. The shower base is one of those Kohler fiberglass deals. I was thinking some 1/4 inch cement board mesh taped to the 1/2 inch cement board above the lip … that would make a flat transition … but not as sturdy as it could be. Ideas? Thanks much … great site … recommending it to all my tile hacker buddies.

    • Roger

      Hey Barry,

      What you describe will work, but I don’t understand why you want to do that. If the flange is 1″ high then you’ll just have 8.3% of the tile hanging over the end of the backer. The will NEVER be enough stress on that tile to do any damage at all. People don’t walk up there (normally). Even if they did it would take a hell of a lot of effort to cantilever against 91% of a bonded tile enough to even make it blink. I would simply let the tile hang down over that space.

      • Bill

        Roger, when you say that the 1″ gap caused by the flange is 8.3% of the total tile, it sounds like you are assuming the tile is 12×12. What if we choose something smaller? Much smaller, like 3×6 for example, where the tile height is only 3″? Then 33% of the tile is unsupported in back. That bothers me. There must be a way to handle this. I’m sure if there is an answer, you have it! Thanks.

        • Roger

          There is a solution – shim out your backerboards to bring them down and out over the edge of the flange.

  • Jennifer

    Great website!

    I recently (June 2012) gutted my bathroom and used Green E-Board as my backer behind tile. My grout has been cracking since and I just had a tile break. Very dissapointing! I don’t know if it was the material I used or if I have a leak somewhere.

    If cement board is used the second time around, do I need to put a 4 mm vapor barrier on the studs AND use a waterproofing application (I used Redgard the first time) or just one or the other?

    How much does it typically cost to have shower/tubs retiled professionally?

    • Roger

      Hi Jennifer,

      You need to use one of the other. Did you tape and mud the backerboard seams with alkali-resistant mesh tape and thinset? I do assume the green e-board you’re speaking of was the cement backerboard type, correct?

      Asking how much a shower costs to retile is like asking what the color chartreuse tastes like. It will vary by location, contractor and project. Anywhere from 2.00 to 25.00 per square foot. :D

  • Alan

    My tub has a lip that sticks out about 1/4″ from my studs. I was going to use furring strips on top of the 2×4’s so that when i install the hardiboard the hardiboard will be able to come down close to the tub arm surface. The tile will then be able to come down a little farther then caulk, correct? Also, what do u use to cut the faucet holes out with?

    • Roger

      Hey Alan,

      Yes, that’s correct. Use a diamond hole bit made for tile. You can find them at any big box store.

      • Alan

        If i build out my shower area with 1/4″ furring strips how do you tile the transition between the shower wall (3/4″ thick now) and the sheetrock wall (1/2″ thick) now that they aren’t the same thickness?

        • Alan

          can i just bevel the bottom edge of the backer board tosolve the problem?

          • Roger

            Hey Alan,

            You can bevel the bottom of the backer or just leave it right above the end of the flange on the tub so it doesn’t stick out.

  • robert

    hey – i just had two quick questions:

    1. Should i cover the concreteboard screw heads with the thin-set mortar, using the same concept as covering drywall screws with drywall compound?

    2. If you are using Regard as your waterproofing, couldn’t you just use that to fill in the gaps during the waterproofing process, rather than mudding and taping the gaps with thinset?

    Great website.

    • Roger

      Hey Robert,

      Two quick answers:

      1. If you want to, no real need to.

      2. No, it doesn’t tie the panels together to create a monolithic substrate. It would be like using silicone to fill your drywall seams. They’ll move independently if you do that.

      • robert

        thanks for the information.

        our project is coming along very well, thanks to this site.
        one more question.

        we are planning to not tile our ceiling – we just want to paint it white. we already put the cement board up there to replace the greenboard.

        am i going to be able to paint the redgard? and have it look like a normal smooth ceiling?

        • Roger

          I don’t know if paint will last long-term over redgard. I would prime it first with killz or something like that, then paint it.

  • Janel

    gap not game…

  • Janel

    Good morning Roger,
    Straight to my question….hope you can understand what i’m asking. So I got the tub and shower valve installed and put up a vapor barrier and then put in the hardi backerboard. This all when well, i thought, but did notice that the backer board was not right up next to the studs. I used backer board screws 1 1/4″. And even used a 4′ level on the walls when done and they are all level – Yay, good job! But now i’m installing sheetrock above the backerboard, aprx 9″ wide and when i put the sheetrock up there it does go right next to the studs so there’s about an 1/8″ game from being flush with the backerboard. Both are 1/2″ thick. So do i take it all down and start over to find out why the backerboard is not right up to the studs, or do i just apply thinset to level out the walls since the backerboard areas are level? Is this common?

    • Roger

      Hey Janel,

      Sounds like a backwards problem to me – it’s normally the backerboard that sits lower than the drywall. I don’t understand why your backer would not be against the studs, they should be firmly in there as you screw in the fasteners. Either way as long as your backerboard doesn’t have any give to it when you push on it (push HARD!) then it should be fine. Use drywall shims behind the drywall to bring it out flush with the backer.