Installing Redgard on Shower Walls for Tile

by Roger

Elastomeric or liquid waterproofing membranes are one of the most convenient methods of waterproofing shower walls before installing tile. These membranes consist of products such as Custom Building Products’ Redgard and Laticrete’s Hydrobarrier and Hydroban and Mapei’s Aquadefense. I will refer to all the membranes as Redgard for the purposes of this post, but they all work nearly the same way.

These materials can be installed with a regular paint brush, paint roller, trowel, or even sprayed on. They are applied to your shower walls then tile is installed directly onto it. When I use these products I always use a cement-based backerboard as the wall substrate without a plastic vapor barrier.

redgardIt is imperative that you do not install plastic behind your walls since this would create two waterproof membranes with your substrate between them. Having two barriers this close together leaves open the chance of trapping moisture between them with no way for it to evaporate. This may lead to mold.You must also tape the backerboard seams with fiberglass mesh drywall tape.

The easiest way I have found to install Redgard is, after the walls are prepped properly, start with a paint brush and thoroughly coat all the corners and angles. The membranes are more the consistancy of pudding than paint so don’t be afraid to scoop it out to spread it. You should be used to it after a few minutes.

After all the corners are coated I use a paint roller and pan to cover the walls. Redgard is bright pink – I mean pepto-bismol pink, it almost glows in the dark. This is useful in that when it is dry it turns dark red. The other membranes are similar. Laticrete’s Hydroban, for instance, goes on light green and dries forest green.

Just thoroughly coat the entire inside of your shower until the whole thing is bright pink – enough so it can be seen from space. That’s it – go have an adult beverage until it dries. You must then do a whole second coat the same way. Make sure the first coat has fully changed color before applying the second coat. If you are using a roller Custom (the company that makes redgard) recommends that you roll on the first coat horizontally and the second coat vertically to ensure full coverage. (Thanks for that Davis)

Most of the product specifications for these materials state two coats to be sufficient, and it probably is. I normally use three coats. I’m weird like that. Unless you have a steam shower or something similar, two coats would probably be enough. It’s up to you.

These products shrink a bit as they dry so you must make sure that it has not shrunk enough to create holes or voids in places such as corners and seams. You need a full coating for the product to be effective. When you are finished you should let the walls completely dry for a day before tiling.

Your tile can then be installed directly onto your walls over the membrane with a proper thinset mortar. When these products set they will create a rubber-like coating on your walls that is waterproof. When used on shower walls it is a (relatively) quick, effective water barrier for your installation.

These products can also be used as waterproofing on your shower pans in leiu of a regular pan membrane. Make sure your specific product includes specifications for this application if you choose to do that. Check the respective website for your particular product. I do know you can do this with Redgard, Aquadefense, and Hydroban.

I also use these products for main or additional waterproofing on things like shower niches and concrete wall in basements, places where it is difficult to have a plastic vapor membrane behind the backerboards. Basically any place that does not have waterproofing between the tile and shower framing. I always have Redgard with me. The versatility of these products make them a integral part of my shower waterproofing toolbox.

The only drawback for these products, if you choose to look at it that way, would be the price. They are a bit expensive. You may be able to get better prices by ordering online but make sure you take shipping costs into consideration. You can get a gallon of Redgard online for about $45.00 plus shipping. That should be enough to do a regular tub surround. That is a five foot back wall with two 3 foot side walls. For larger showers you can also get a 3.5 gallon bucket.

Make sure to check the website for your product, they have a load of information for them. As always, if you have any questions feel free to leave a comment for me.

RedGard website

Laticrete website

Need More Information?

I now have manuals describing the complete process for you from bare wall studs all the way up to a completely waterproof shower substrate for your tile. If you are tiling your floor and walls and using a liquid membrane you can find that one here: Liquid Topical Waterproofing Membranes for Floors and Walls.

If you are just tiling around your tub or pre-formed shower base you can find that manual here: Liquid Topical Waterproofing Membranes for Shower Walls.

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Steve

I’m experiencing a slight water leak in a fairly new travertine shower. All work was done by experienced, professional craftsmen. It was water tight for a year or so and has recently begun to leak. No visible cracks or bad joints. I would like to avoid the expense and disruption of tearing it out and re-doing it. Is there any kind of a clear waterproofing liquid that can be applied topically to travertine that may solve my problem??? Thank you for your advice!

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Leo Scholz

I have a soak tub I’m installing. It’s a smaller version for my daughter. I used 1/2″ green board in the entire bathroom for moisture control. I want to use Red Guard as a extra precaution over the green board on 2 walls. The tub has a hand wand shower head and the shower curtain comes down from ceiling. I’m sure water will hit walls regularly. I used regard under Venetian plaster in my shower and waxed the Venetian plaster with paraffin wax. No water issues in over a year. After my life story my question is can I use red guard over green board prior to skip troweling and can I use red guard over Ship lap prior to painting ?

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Cho

@Roger…
Jim (above has an excellent question…
..”What liquid waterproofing membrane would you recommend specifically for use with Hardiebacker”…
Would love to see your answer..?…please..
P.S. Great great site…

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Ben

Hi Roger,

What would you recommend if I had the crazy notion to put redgard over painted plaster that is in good condition. I would like to tile my old school tub/shower surround that now has nasty plastic crap glued to it. Should I try to remove the paint? Scratch it up? Prime over it? Will redgard stick to primer? Am I crazy to even try this? Thanks!

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Kari

I am using hydroban in my shower. I had planned on going past where the tile would be to waterproof about a foot past the tile on the wall. Will the hydroban leave a visible line under the paint? Can I sand it and try to smooth it?

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S Purser

I recently had a nightmare of a life with termite destruction in about a third of my home – poor exterminator service/inspection. I had acrylic shower pulled out. Redone with a tile I chose from Lowe’s – like stone. I am having a few problems with the shower floor being slippery. Not like this until recently. Now, read that it is considered non-vitreous and there could be absorption problems. Can I put any kind of sealer on this type of tile to help decrease absorption without causing the shower floor to become more slippery? Thank you so much for a reply

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Melissa

Just wanted to say thank you! I couldn’t have done it without your website. Turned out beautiful ☺

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arnold

can i use it outside a concrete patio

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Bob Markus

Have several rental properties: Have a tub surround where I have to replace the wall down to the studs. I have left over 3/4 ” AdvanTech flooring. Can I use this to replace the wall board around the tub? I will be using Maax polystyrene glue-on panels for the surround. Will this cause any type of water moisture/ mold problem? Thanks for your help. Bob

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Javier Martinez

I have a question guys. Can you tile directly over the redguard (shower pan) flooring? I dont know how I found this site so please email me thanks in advance! JMartinez

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Jim

Excellent and informative site, thanks.

My question is in regard to using Redgard on Hardibacker, I have read about many people having issues with proper adhesion due to the hardie being so dry. The install instructions for Redgard seem to indicate that a primer coat (1 part RG to 4 parts water) is recommended with fiber cement boards.
Have you had experience at all with this issue? The primer coat is not mentioned in the instructions for Laticrete’s Hydro Ban, and I have heard the adhesion is better. What liquid waterproofing membrane would you recommend specifically for use with Hardiebacker? Thanks for your time.

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Bill

I have removed a tub surround and want to put tile in it’s place. Some of the top coating on the drywall came off where the surround was glued to it.
Do you know if that can be repaired in any way or do I have to replace it before using the Regard. It is sturdy and in good shape otherwise. Thanks for your help.

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Roger

Hi Bill,

You can not use redgard over drywall. The drywall needs to be replaced with cement backerboard.

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Salman

I have taken out tiles, grout, boards underneath the shower bench/seat (this area is about 3 ft x 1.5 ft, not that big), found that builder did not use Cement board, rather following construction method was employed.

Tile + Thinset + Redgard + Green mositure control board + drywall board + studs

Now, i want to do this thing in a right way … since the builder used 2 board each of them 0.5 ” , can I replace the old construction with the following ?

Tile + Thinset + Redgard + Hardie board 0.42″ + Pressure Treated Plywood +studs

Reason for having the same kind thickness for the whole thing is that I cant move the aluminum shower frame.

Question 1 : Can I use Exterior grade plywood in wall over stud, any recommendation on plywood?

Question 2 : Also if Plywood is used do I need to apply a fine layer of thinset mortar on wall also just like they do it on floor ? why they apply thinset between plywood and hardie board in floor ?

Thanks and appreciate your feedback in advance !

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Roger

Hi Salman,

Just shim out your studs with strips of any type of wood to get your backer flush with where you need it. Since you are using redgard over it the type of ply doesn’t really matter. No need to use an entire sheet over the studs, just rip down strips as wide as the studs as shims.

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Tom

Roger, got your book, one thing not clear to me, at the change of plane where the side walls meet the back wall do I:

1.) Use silicone caulk wait a day then redgard over
2.) Use silicone caulk wait a day then embed mesh fabric in the redgard
3.) Tape and thinset wait a day then redgard over
4.) Caulk, wait, tape and thinset, wait, then mesh fabric in the redgard
5.) Something else?

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Ryan

Roger,

I have the exact same question – thank you!

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Roger

Hi Tom,

#3 – tape and thinset, wait a day, then redgard.

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