Installing Redgard on Shower Walls for Tile

by Roger

Elastomeric or liquid waterproofing membranes are one of the most convenient methods of waterproofing shower walls before installing tile. These membranes consist of products such as Custom Building Products’ Redgard and Laticrete’s Hydrobarrier and Hydroban and Mapei’s Aquadefense. I will refer to all the membranes as Redgard for the purposes of this post, but they all work nearly the same way.

These materials can be installed with a regular paint brush, paint roller, trowel, or even sprayed on. They are applied to your shower walls then tile is installed directly onto it. When I use these products I always use a cement-based backerboard as the wall substrate without a plastic vapor barrier.

redgardIt is imperative that you do not install plastic behind your walls since this would create two waterproof membranes with your substrate between them. Having two barriers this close together leaves open the chance of trapping moisture between them with no way for it to evaporate. This may lead to mold.You must also tape the backerboard seams with fiberglass mesh drywall tape.

The easiest way I have found to install Redgard is, after the walls are prepped properly, start with a paint brush and thoroughly coat all the corners and angles. The membranes are more the consistancy of pudding than paint so don’t be afraid to scoop it out to spread it. You should be used to it after a few minutes.

After all the corners are coated I use a paint roller and pan to cover the walls. Redgard is bright pink – I mean pepto-bismol pink, it almost glows in the dark. This is useful in that when it is dry it turns dark red. The other membranes are similar. Laticrete’s Hydroban, for instance, goes on light green and dries forest green.

Just thoroughly coat the entire inside of your shower until the whole thing is bright pink – enough so it can be seen from space. That’s it – go have an adult beverage until it dries. You must then do a whole second coat the same way. Make sure the first coat has fully changed color before applying the second coat. If you are using a roller Custom (the company that makes redgard) recommends that you roll on the first coat horizontally and the second coat vertically to ensure full coverage. (Thanks for that Davis)

Most of the product specifications for these materials state two coats to be sufficient, and it probably is. I normally use three coats. I’m weird like that. Unless you have a steam shower or something similar, two coats would probably be enough. It’s up to you.

These products shrink a bit as they dry so you must make sure that it has not shrunk enough to create holes or voids in places such as corners and seams. You need a full coating for the product to be effective. When you are finished you should let the walls completely dry for a day before tiling.

Your tile can then be installed directly onto your walls over the membrane with a proper thinset mortar. When these products set they will create a rubber-like coating on your walls that is waterproof. When used on shower walls it is a (relatively) quick, effective water barrier for your installation.

These products can also be used as waterproofing on your shower pans in leiu of a regular pan membrane. Make sure your specific product includes specifications for this application if you choose to do that. Check the respective website for your particular product. I do know you can do this with Redgard, Aquadefense, and Hydroban.

I also use these products for main or additional waterproofing on things like shower niches and concrete wall in basements, places where it is difficult to have a plastic vapor membrane behind the backerboards. Basically any place that does not have waterproofing between the tile and shower framing. I always have Redgard with me. The versatility of these products make them a integral part of my shower waterproofing toolbox.

The only drawback for these products, if you choose to look at it that way, would be the price. They are a bit expensive. You may be able to get better prices by ordering online but make sure you take shipping costs into consideration. You can get a gallon of Redgard online for about $45.00 plus shipping. That should be enough to do a regular tub surround. That is a five foot back wall with two 3 foot side walls. For larger showers you can also get a 3.5 gallon bucket.

Make sure to check the website for your product, they have a load of information for them. As always, if you have any questions feel free to leave a comment for me.

RedGard website

Laticrete website

Need More Information?

I now have manuals describing the complete process for you from bare wall studs all the way up to a completely waterproof shower substrate for your tile. If you are tiling your floor and walls and using a liquid membrane you can find that one here: Liquid Topical Waterproofing Membranes for Floors and Walls.

If you are just tiling around your tub or pre-formed shower base you can find that manual here: Liquid Topical Waterproofing Membranes for Shower Walls.

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Gene Hubbard

After putting on the redgard to I need to do anything before I put on the thinset. Also, any special thinset that I should use

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Brett

Great site, very informative! I’m building a shower and using kerdi for the pan and drain, but I have leftover redgard and hardie board from anotehr job. Is it ok, or have you ever used redgard on the shower walls with kerdi on the pan (floor) My thought was to use the kerdi bands in the corners as normal it would just be joining the kerdi pan with a redgard wall instead of a kerdi wall. I don’t see how this would not be waterproof. Is it ok to do, or should I just shell out the extra $100 or so on the kerdi membrane for the walls too, rather than try to save a few bucks by using my leftover redgard?

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Roger

Hi Brett,

You can use the redgard.

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Philip McNeill

Where can one buy red guard in Dublin Ireland enough to paint a shower wall 2ftx4ftx7ft.

Philip McNeill Architect
27 The Maples
Monkstown
County Dublin
Ireland
+353 872445142₩

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RUBEN

Can you use red guard over green board the apply 12×24 tiles

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Glenn

Hello Roger — I just bought your very informative e-book about liquid topical shower waterproofing, and I have a question about the cement backer boards. Looks like they should be installed BEFORE making the sloped concrete floor pan. Should the backer boards be sized so their bottom edges are above the finished floor pan? If so, how much of a gap should I leave?

Alternatively, can I butt the bottom edges of the backerboards directly onto my wood subfloor, and then build the floor pan inside them? Or would the backerboards pull moisture out of the curing deck mud?

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richard thomas

Hi Roger I have a 3 by 5 shower in the basement the floor is concrete with an existing shower drain the slope to the drain is 80% accurate the furthest wall could be better the walls are block my plan is to tile the area both floor and walls .my problem is the floor i don’t know what to do with it because the floor drain is fixed and I really don’t want a jackhammer it up to put another one in unless it’s absolutely necessary. can I red guard over top of that concrete floor to waterproof it then put a more accurate slope when I install the mud bed on top of it .

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Sharon Schander

We took out a bathtub and are making a walk in shower. Due to the tub drain being too low for a shower we had to raise the floor 3″. They put in the concrete and did the correct slope for the new drain. We were told at the tile place at it is best to use Redguard on top of the concrete as a waterproofing method. Now we need about an inch to reach the top of the drain. Can we put a 1/2 mud pack down and then thin set to set the tiles? What would you suggest at this point. Our tiles are only 3/8″.

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Roger

Hi Sharon,

You can put 3/4″ of deck mud down, then redgard. Did they put a topical drain in there? Because if it’s a regular drain with weep holes you need to do something different.

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