Installing cement backerboard is one of the more popular choices for a shower wall substrate. Cement backerboards include Hardiebacker, Durock, Fiberboard, wonderboard, and similar products. These materials bridge the gap between expense and effectiveness. When installed properly they will give you many, many years of durable shower construction.
The advantage of cement backerboards is that, while not waterproof, they are dimensionally stable when wet. That just means that when they get wet they do not swell up. Any swelling behind tile is a bad thing. It will lead to cracking grout, tile, and all sorts of bad things.
Waterproofing your studs
To install the backerboard you must have a vapor barrier between it and the wooden wall studs. While the backerboard will not swell when wet, your wall studs will. You must prevent any moisture from reaching them. The preferred material for a vapor barrier would be 4 mil or thicker plastic sheeting which can be purchased at places like Home Depot or any hardware store. You can also use tar paper or roofing paper, the thick black paper used under shingles. Although I personally do not use that, it is an acceptable barrier.
Starting with your bare wall studs on your shower walls simply take your plastic sheeting and staple it to the wall studs completely covering the entire surface which will be inside your shower. You can also use silicone instead of staples to adhere it to the studs. Make sure you overlap all the edges. Just hang it all up there like you’re hanging wallpaper. You want it covering the framing enough that if you were to spray the walls with a hose the wall studs and framing would not get wet.
At the bottom of the barrier you will want it to overlap on the shower side of the tub or shower base. That is you want it so that any water that runs down the plastic sheeting will roll off into the tub rather than behind the tub. Overlap the lip of the tub or base and silicone the back of the barrier to keep it in place.
Installing the backerboard
Now for the backerboard. Lay out your backerboards for the best fit on the walls. They can go up vertically or horizontally, it makes no difference. With a regular tub surround with a five foot back wall it is usually easier to use two horizontal sheets along the back wall and one vertical on each of the sides. (This assumes 3 X 5 foot backerboard sheets.)
All backerboards are cut by scoring and snapping. You do not need a saw for them. While there are special scoring tools specifically for this you can easily do it with a regular utility knife. While all these backerboards are essentially identical in their effectiveness as a substrate, some are more easily cut. Durock, in my opinion, is the most difficult. I personally prefer hardiebacker or fiberboard. Make sure you check the website for whichever you choose for specific instructions.
To fasten the backerboard to the framing you have a couple of choices. A lot of professionals simply use galvanized roofing nails. While this is perfectly acceptable, I prefer screws over nails when possible. Hardi makes specific screws for their backerboard which can also be used for all backerboards. These are manufactured with ribs beneath the head of the screw which help it cut into the backerboard and countersink so the head is flush. If your local big box or hardware store carries them, they will be in the tile section. You can also use just about any type of corrosion resistant screw. Anything that can be used for an outside deck can be used for your backerboard.
Fasten your backerboard to your shower framing with a screw or nail about every 8 – 12 inches. I would also suggest using a straight-edge along your wall while doing this so that you can shim out any areas where the wall studs may not be straight. The flatter your backerboard is installed, the easier your tile installation will be. Take your time, the beer isn’t going anywhere.
Allow for movement!
You do not want to butt the backerboards against one another. You need to leave a small gap at every change of plane. That includes corners, walls to ceilings, and walls to tubs or floors. There needs to be room for expansion and contraction.
Wood moves – always. It’s just a fact of life. The secret to dealing with the movement is to ensure the movement will not interfere with the tile. Leaving this small gap will allow for movement of the sheets enough so that they do not force against one another and push out. While the backerboard itself is very stable, you are still attaching it to wood.
If you have a tub or shower base you will also want to stop the backerboard about 1/8 inch above the lip. You do not want to run the board over the edge of the lip because it will cause the backerboard to bow out and your wall will not be flat. It will also allow the tub or shower base to move a bit – it’s attached to the wooden studs as well. Tubs also move when they are filled with water. You need to allow for that movement.
I usually leave about a 1/16 to 1/8 inch gap between the sheets of backerboard. This allows for thinset to lock into the entire thickness of your backerboard when you tape and mud your seams. We’ll cover that part in a minute.
Don’t allow for movement! (Confused yet?)
If your shower framing is such that you cannot place the edges of all the backerboards directly over a stud you will need to add more studs. You may do this with regular 2 X 4′s screwed to the present framing vertically or horizontally as needed. You must make sure that every edge of the backerboard is supported so if the wall is pushed or leaned on in that spot it does not move. You want solid walls.
Final step
The last thing you must do is mud and tape your seams. Similar to regular drywall all of your in-planeĀ joints must be taped. To do this you just use regular thinset and alkali-resistant fiberglass mesh tape. You can find the tape in the drywall section – it’s the same stuff. Just make sure it is alkali-resistant because your thinset contains alkali which will gradually erode regular tape thus defeating the purpose.
This is only for in-plane joints – the gaps in the same wall. Not in the corners. You want different walls to be able to move in different directions, which they will do whether you like it or not. You can either leave the corner gaps open and be careful not to get thinset in them or, the easier way, fill the corner seams with silicone so they will not allow thinset into them and will still allow movement.
Fill all the gaps in your (in-plane) seams with thinset (you left gaps there, right?) then embed the tape into it. Then go over the tape with more thinset to smooth everything out. This will lock everything together and give you a continuous, solid substrate for your tile. That’s what you’re looking for.
When properly installed cement backerboards will create a rock solid, extremely durable substrate for your tile installation. Taking time and care to solidify what is behind or beneath your tile is the only way to guarantee a lasting installation. Your tile is only as durable as what it is installed upon.
As always if you have any questions at all please feel free to leave a comment.
Need More Information?
I now have manuals describing the complete process for you from bare wall studs all the way up to a completely waterproof shower substrate for your tile. If you are tiling your walls and floor you can find that one here: Waterproof shower floor and wall manual.
If you have a tub or pre-formed shower base and are only tiling the walls you can find that one here: Waterproof shower walls manual.
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Hi Roger,
I am redoing my shower using a swan stone shower base. My question is, if I want to use tile on the walls, how much of a gap I need to leave between the cement board and the lip of the shower? Instructions from sawn stone say to leave a gap of 1/2″ between cement board and the lip of the shower, if using swans tone wall, but I’m thinking that this gap will be too large if I’m using ceramic tile . Could you please advise about it?
Thanks
Hi Myriam,
1/8″ is fine. I don’t know why they recommend that much, it’s a LOT. Dunno what they expect you to do with a 1/2″ gap.
Hi. I have a 3 wall stand up shower and the hardiback up. There is a small gap from the cement boards along the top and sides where it meets the sheetrock. Can I silicone it? I’ll be tiling and the tiles will slightly overlap the sheetrock. Can I use the thin set over the silicone when tiling? Thanks so much!!
Hi Sara,
Yes, you can silicone all the corners. The transition from the backer to the drywall should be taped and mudded with alkali-resistant mesh tape and thinset. The thinset will not stick to the silicone, but it doesn’t need to.
Hi Roger,
Do I silicone the corners and also where the hardie meets tub before I tile or at the very end?
Thanks,
Gwen
Hi Gwen,
Yes, silicone all changes of plane and where the wall meets the tub to prevent thinset from entering those areas.
I am installing a shower stall where one of the walls is an existing outside wall
that is covered with plywood. The plywood cannot be removed. In a previous post
you indicated that placing hardibacker on top of plywood creates a problem.
I have the option of not covering the other two walls with plywood. Are there any
additional precaution I can take beside not using plywood on the other walls?
Thanks RR
Hey Ron,
Nope, that’s about the only thing you can do. If you could make some relief cuts in the plywood on the wall before installing the hardi over it that would go a long way toward compensating for movement and eliminating problems.
Hey Mori,
You can use either.
Does the plastic sheet have to be one piece? I ended up cutting 6 additional inches of drywall so the plastic sheet doesn’t go all the way down to the tub.
Hey Mori,
As long as the sheets on top overlap the sheets on the bottom it’s fine. Just overlap them like roof shingles.
Thanks
Roger, thanks again for the quick reply. It’s too late for us to correct what we’ve done wrong but we do have a second bath we’re going to do so maybe we’ll get the process correct next time
If I’m dissecting all the instructions and comments here correctly I would surmise that When using Hardi backer board around a tub surround : 1. Do not use a vapor barrier behind it IF you are smearing it with a waterproofing coat (ie Red Guard) 2. When screwing up the boards they are going to be independent on each wall. They are not going to be tapped together and mudded. 3. BEFORE tiling, caulk the corners (changes of plane) everywhere and at the gap between the tub and the Hardi. You do not even have the Hardi going over the indented lip in the cast iron tub, you have it suspended above it – then you caulk it and Red Guard it.
Hopefully with our 50 year old house the settling is about done (at least for the next 10 years we’re here).
Did I get all that right?
Of course the way we did it is a bit off from this
Thanks,
Susan
Hey Susan,
You got it all right! Whaddya need me for?
Hi Roger,
I’m trying to re do my shower. I removed 1/2 in. drywall from two of my three shower walls. On the third wall I removed 1/2 in. drywall and some kind of fibrous board that also 1/2 in. I’m going to add 1/2 in. plywood strips to these studs to because I only plan to put up the 1/2 in. cement board. Should I put a 1/2 in. strip in the corner where the second and this third wall met? Also, how much of a gap should I leave between the cement board and the drywall?
Hey Mori,
Yes, you should shim out the stud in the corner as well. You need about a 1/8″ gap between the backer and drywall. Tape and mud it with thinset. You can paint over thinset if you need to when you’re done.
Thanks for the reply. One more question. Do I need to put up any additional framing at the top of my shower? I only tore out the tiles and a little of the drywall at the top of the shower but the frame is at the top of the wall.
Nope, no need for additional framing as long as you have 16″ o.c. studs it’ll be fine. You can add more if you feel uncertain about it, though, it never hurts.
Hi Roger I installed a kbrs base in my shower. I also built out the walls with plywood to allow for the i/8 gap away from the flange for the durock. Should I put a vapor barrier over the plywod and the install the durock and the kbrs also has shower seal and tape for the joint at the base and roll the remaining waterproof on the rest of the walls of the shower. just to be clear I shoud not thinset any corner just silicone them
Hi Nick,
If you bump out your walls with plywood it needs to only be along the face of the studs – not behind the entire wall. In other words you should not cover the entire wall with plywood then go over that with backer. That will create a lot of stress on your substrate because the entire wall will expand and contract with normal seasonal movements as well as being affected by the humidity changes in a shower. It will create problems. You can rip strips of plywood and install them onto the face of the studs and go over them, but not the entire wall.
You should install the pan first, then run the backer down to the top of the pan. This way the backer hangs over the pan. No thinset in the corners – just silicone.
Hi Roger I removed the ply wood and cut it into 4 inch strips and installed them horizontal across the studs leaving 10 to 12 inches between. Should I install a vapor barrier before I install the durock and on the outside wall that has insulation should I replace it with non faced if I install a vapor barrier on the outside wall as well
Hey Nick,
Sorry, I meant down the face of the studs – no big deal, though. Just make sure you mark where your shims are so you don’t miss them with your fasteners.
You can leave the insulation as it is. The cavity between the two barriers will be open and not sealed up so vapor can dissipate – it won’t be a problem.
Hi Roger thanks for the information. The wall with the faced insulation is not being furred out so the plastic will be right on it, I was going to remove the paper so only the plastic would be there or should I bother.
I wouldn’t even bother. It’s not going to hurt anything or cause any problems with the plastic right against the paper.
Roger,
Thanks for all the help you provide. One comment I have is that I find it slightly confusing to leave a gap “for expansion” around the backer board and yet you mud and tape it to make a “monolith”. Seems to me you can’t have it both ways.
Andrew S.
Hi Andrew,
You’re correct, and I’ve been meaning to change this. The gaps at the changes of plane are not taped and mudded, they are filled with silicone or simply left open to allow for movement in different planes. The gaps in the same plane (between sheets on the same wall) are taped and mudded so the individual sheets do not move independently.
Thank you!
Hi Roger,
I am getting ready to mud and tape my seams on my tub surround. It makes sense to me to not mud and tape the corners, but use silicone instead. I have read for hours on the interwebs what to do with the corners. I swear, the only place that does not advocate mudding and taping corners is right here. Siliconing the corner joints in between the tile allows for the movement of the intersecting planes, but isn’t mudding and taping the backer board corners a waste of time?
Hi Matt,
The reason for mudding and taping the seams is so the entire wall will move the same amount in the same direction. If you don’t the individual boards may move separately and cause undue stress on the tile installed over it. You want the entire wall to move as one.
Hi Roger!
Thanks for this website, it’s really helpful. I have a two-part question:
1) If I’m using Redgard as my moisture barrier, I don’t need to use any kind of backing between the studs and the cement board, correct?
and
2) What do I do for blocking moisture in the gap I am supposed to leave between the lip of the tub and the cement board? Silicone caulk?
Thanks so much!
Hi Dashel,
1. Correct
2. Yes, use silicone between the backer and base, then paint redgard right over it.
Roger,
We are re doing our shower, put the cement board up and taped all seams with thin set and then waterproofed it with a liquid don’t remember the name. anyway now it is a bit uneven and am wondering if it will be ok to tile over. Do we just adjust this with the thin set when tiling?
Hi Marie,
Yes, you can compensate for out-of-flat walls with thinset up to 1/4″ if necessary, if it’s less than 1/8″ or so it’ll be easy.
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