Installing cement backerboard is one of the more popular choices for a shower wall substrate. Cement backerboards include Hardiebacker, Durock, Fiberboard, wonderboard, and similar products. These materials bridge the gap between expense and effectiveness. When installed properly they will give you many, many years of durable shower construction.
The advantage of cement backerboards is that, while not waterproof, they are dimensionally stable when wet. That just means that when they get wet they do not swell up. Any swelling behind tile is a bad thing. It will lead to cracking grout, tile, and all sorts of bad things.
Waterproofing your studs
To install the backerboard you must have a vapor barrier between it and the wooden wall studs. While the backerboard will not swell when wet, your wall studs will. You must prevent any moisture from reaching them. The preferred material for a vapor barrier would be 4 mil or thicker plastic sheeting which can be purchased at places like Home Depot or any hardware store. You can also use tar paper or roofing paper, the thick black paper used under shingles. Although I personally do not use that, it is an acceptable barrier.
Starting with your bare wall studs on your shower walls simply take your plastic sheeting and staple it to the wall studs completely covering the entire surface which will be inside your shower. You can also use silicone instead of staples to adhere it to the studs. Make sure you overlap all the edges. Just hang it all up there like you’re hanging wallpaper. You want it covering the framing enough that if you were to spray the walls with a hose the wall studs and framing would not get wet.
At the bottom of the barrier you will want it to overlap on the shower side of the tub or shower base. That is you want it so that any water that runs down the plastic sheeting will roll off into the tub rather than behind the tub. Overlap the lip of the tub or base and silicone the back of the barrier to keep it in place.
Installing the backerboard
Now for the backerboard. Lay out your backerboards for the best fit on the walls. They can go up vertically or horizontally, it makes no difference. With a regular tub surround with a five foot back wall it is usually easier to use two horizontal sheets along the back wall and one vertical on each of the sides. (This assumes 3 X 5 foot backerboard sheets.)
All backerboards are cut by scoring and snapping. You do not need a saw for them. While there are special scoring tools specifically for this you can easily do it with a regular utility knife. While all these backerboards are essentially identical in their effectiveness as a substrate, some are more easily cut. Durock, in my opinion, is the most difficult. I personally prefer hardiebacker or fiberboard. Make sure you check the website for whichever you choose for specific instructions.
To fasten the backerboard to the framing you have a couple of choices. A lot of professionals simply use galvanized roofing nails. While this is perfectly acceptable, I prefer screws over nails when possible. Hardi makes specific screws for their backerboard which can also be used for all backerboards. These are manufactured with ribs beneath the head of the screw which help it cut into the backerboard and countersink so the head is flush. If your local big box or hardware store carries them, they will be in the tile section. You can also use just about any type of corrosion resistant screw. Anything that can be used for an outside deck can be used for your backerboard.
Fasten your backerboard to your shower framing with a screw or nail about every 8 – 12 inches. I would also suggest using a straight-edge along your wall while doing this so that you can shim out any areas where the wall studs may not be straight. The flatter your backerboard is installed, the easier your tile installation will be. Take your time, the beer isn’t going anywhere.
Allow for movement!
You do not want to butt the backerboards against one another. You need to leave a small gap at every change of plane. That includes corners, walls to ceilings, and walls to tubs or floors. There needs to be room for expansion and contraction.
Wood moves – always. It’s just a fact of life. The secret to dealing with the movement is to ensure the movement will not interfere with the tile. Leaving this small gap will allow for movement of the sheets enough so that they do not force against one another and push out. While the backerboard itself is very stable, you are still attaching it to wood.
If you have a tub or shower base you will also want to stop the backerboard about 1/8 inch above the lip. You do not want to run the board over the edge of the lip because it will cause the backerboard to bow out and your wall will not be flat. It will also allow the tub or shower base to move a bit – it’s attached to the wooden studs as well. Tubs also move when they are filled with water. You need to allow for that movement.
I usually leave about a 1/16 to 1/8 inch gap between the sheets of backerboard. This allows for thinset to lock into the entire thickness of your backerboard when you tape and mud your seams. We’ll cover that part in a minute.
Don’t allow for movement! (Confused yet?)
If your shower framing is such that you cannot place the edges of all the backerboards directly over a stud you will need to add more studs. You may do this with regular 2 X 4’s screwed to the present framing vertically or horizontally as needed. You must make sure that every edge of the backerboard is supported so if the wall is pushed or leaned on in that spot it does not move. You want solid walls.
Final step
The last thing you must do is mud and tape your seams. Similar to regular drywall all of your in-plane joints must be taped. To do this you just use regular thinset and alkali-resistant fiberglass mesh tape. You can find the tape in the tile section – it’s similar to regular fiberglass drywall tape, but it specifically manufactured to be alkali resistant. Make sure it is alkali-resistant because your thinset contains alkali which will gradually erode regular tape thus defeating the purpose.
There are two ways to address the corners. The industry standard, and the way you should do it, is to tape and mud the corner joint as well. Most backerboard manufacturers recommend this, as do the handbook standards. I only do that about half the time – I’m a rebel like that.
*The other half of the time I only tape and mud the in-plane joints – the gaps in the same wall, not the corners. With the corners I fill the gap with silicone. I do this to allow the different planes of the walls to move in different directions, which they will do whether you like it or not. Allowing this movement in the substrate compensates for excess stress in certain applications. This is something that I do, it is not industry standard and you will likely not find anyone else recommending doing this. So when you get the conflicting information about this – that’s why.
Fill all the gaps in your seams with thinset (you left gaps there, right?) then embed the tape into it. Then go over the tape with more thinset to smooth everything out. This will lock everything together and give you a continuous, solid substrate for your tile. That’s what you’re looking for.
When properly installed cement backerboards will create a rock solid, extremely durable substrate for your tile installation. Taking time and care to solidify what is behind or beneath your tile is the only way to guarantee a lasting installation. Your tile is only as durable as what it is installed upon.
As always if you have any questions at all please feel free to leave a comment.
Need More Information?
I now have manuals describing the complete process for you from bare wall studs all the way up to a completely waterproof shower substrate for your tile. If you are tiling your walls and floor you can find that one here: Waterproof shower floor and wall manual.
If you have a tub or pre-formed shower base and are only tiling the walls you can find that one here: Waterproof shower walls manual.
I am getting ready to put up some cement backer board around a Shower/tub. It is a very old house and the tub is against the old plaster and lathe, can I mount the backer board on the plaster and lathe?
Hey Jeff,
It depends, how are you waterproofing your shower?
Hi Roger,
Terrific to read so much useful info on your website! Thanks for that. I have been putting down cement sheeting (6′ x 3′) in order to prepare for a tiling job. After the living room I got to the passage which has a length of about 32 foot and is approx. 3 feet wide. As I’m about halfway the passage, I must not have paid attention, probably due to the sparse daylight entering there, for the last cement sheet I nailed down is on one side following a floor curve of max. 1/3″ at the lowest point. From the beginning till the end of the curve measures 4 feet, leading to that 1/3″ in the middle.
What do you advise? Do I have to take the cement sheet up and level the floor first, or can I make up for this error when or before tiling? I hope you understand what I tried to explain. English is not my first language, so if this question looks a bit odd to you, that’s why.
thanks in advance, Leo
Hi Leo,
I’m assuming you mean about 8mm-9mm? If so it isn’t really proper, but it will work to install more thinset under that area in the middle as you tile it.
Thanks for your swift answer, it’s appreciated and gave me peace of mind!
Roger,
Thanks for all the helpful information on your website and in the books I have downloaded. I have installed my substrate (Durock), siliconed between the durock and top of tub, taped and thinset all the corners and space between each sheet of Durock and am about to put on the Redgard. The question I have is what do I do about the upper and lower drop elbows and faucet openings? My plumbers have not finished installing everything and they are not until i have the tile complete. Should I mud and tape or silicone around the tempary pieces they have installed? Should i not do anything? I just don’t want to put the Redgard on and then the tile without having these areas be water tight. Any help would greatly be appreciated.
Jason
Hey Jason,
Redgard everything up to the openings. As you install your tile place a bead of silicone around the perimeter of the opening and sandwich it between the tile and redgard. This acts as a dam of sorts around which water will run as it runs down the wall. Water will not run into the opening, your escutcheons should have a gasket on the back of them to prevent that.
Hi Roger
I have a bathroom with green rock on the wall. But I want to use the hardi board. Can i put the hardi board over the green board or should I take down the green board. Bathroom is new construction so the greenboard hasnt been compromised. It has the 4mil vapor barrier behind it.
thanks
Eli
Hey Eli,
The greenboard needs to be removed. It will get wet even if it is behind hardi.
Roger
thanks
i removed the greenboard. Now ready for the install of the backerboard. Im going to have to shim the corner studs as they seem to be set back a bit from the 2×4’s in the middle of the larger back wall. Can i shim out over the 4mil sheets.Other wise I have to cut thru the poly and attach directly to the studs. Thanks
Eli
Hey Eli,
As long as you use waterproof shims. Otherwise they’ll need to be behind your barrier. Layers of tar paper work.
Roger,
I’m going to put “thin slate panels” (6″x23.5″) above the stove to the ceiling, about a 40″x 60″ area. Ideally I would like to capture some of the depth from the drywall removal so that the slate doesn’t extend past the 3/4″ granite backsplash that will be the bottom of the slate area. So I was hoping to use the 1/4″ Fiberock underlayment where I cut out the drywall. The other choices are: just glue them to the drywall, use either 1/4″ concrete board, or 1/2″ concrete board (but I’ll have the slate extend past the granite backsplash at the bottom. Is thinset fine? What do you think?
Hey Frank,
The fiberock would be fine. Just use a good modified thinset and it will bond the slate well.
Roger,
I have installed all my backer board and just found out that I may have put the wrong side out. Is this a problem? Do I need to sit up nights worrying?
Thank you for you assistance.
Sincerely,
Cindi Love
Hi Cindi,
Nope, tile can be installed to either side. It’s fine.
One wall of my 8′ wide bathroom is a fire wall with garage on other side, the shower is 4′ x 4′ an one side is on this wall. I planned on 5/8″ green board drywall for the fire wall with plastic vapor barrier then 1/2″ hardi or durock (is one better for tiles to stick too). After talking to city inspector i don’t need 5/8″ on the inside of residential fire wall due to a modification in regulations where i live, plus i feel uneasy having drywall in shower. My problem is the plumbing is set for over an inch of wall thickness. Can i use 1/2″ hardi against the studs then plastic then 1/2″ hardi or durock, i would like the extra thickness in wall for added strength if someone leans on the wall to hard. If this is OK do i leave the first layer of hardi that’s against the studs above the first preslope for floor drain (making both layers the same height) or have first layer a 1/4 to 1/2″ above concrete slab (i am using rubber liner and dry-pack around drain). The 4′ of wall not in shower area i was planning on having the vapor barrier against the studs with 2 layers of drywall or hardi, the tile we picked out does not go with the 1/4 round look. OR… should i put the plastic behind both layer along entire wall, if i do this, will there be to many screws through plastic vapor barrier for it to work properly in shower area. Back wall of shower is an exterior wall so i am thinking i need vapor barrier behind panels and not a barrier on surface of panels, is this correct. Thanks.
Hey Jim,
You can do the two layers of backer if you want, nothing wrong with that. Screw penetrations seal themselves – the plastic wraps around the screw as you drive it in. leave it above the preslope. You can also put the barrier behind both layers. On an exterior wall you can use either the traditional barrier behind the backer or a topical over it – they work the same way in that regard.
Hi,
Using a 1/2 inch Durock: since Durock is thicker than the lip of the tub, how and what do you use to fill the space in front of the lip to make it straight with the Durock so when tiles sitting on the edge of the tub are installed they do not bow?
Thank you very much for your good advice.
Hi Maria,
You don’t use anything there. The tile just hangs over that edge – they won’t bow.
Roger,
I’m getting delirious scouring the web for info, I’ve come across your site and I’ve been reading so much my head is starting to spin. I’m sure you’ve answered these questions already somewhere and I may have already read them. In any case I’m going to ask because I need help and the beer I’m drinking doesn’t know any of the answers. I doing a tub shower surround, I have all my backerboard up (I’m doing ceiling as well). I’m going to use Redgard after I tape and joint seams. Ok here go my questions!
1. When mudding joints, mud then tape then mud again, correct?
2. I’m going to caulk/silicone corners all the corners (where side walls meet back wall and where all walls meet ceiling). I’m fairly certain this right.
3. The gap between the tub and the backerboard should be siliconed then covered with redgard?
4. When I install tile, I’ll do the back wall first, the previous tile in this area the sidewall tiles were butted against the backwall, should I do this or should I leave a gap in these corners?
5. Lastly I’m going to do a 3 inch mosaic tile accent around the walls, I’m assuming I should leave the same grout line width between the “regular” tiles and the mosaic tiles.
Thanks in advance for your time and all you do here! I’m going back to my beers and enjoying them before I start working again!
Hey Sam,
1. Yes. mud, then tape, then mud to smooth it out.
2. That’s the way I prefer to do it, you can also tape and mud that if you choose to do so. Most people, as well as the handbook, will tell you to tape and mud it. Up to you.
3. Yes.
4. Leave about a 1/16″ gap and silicone it when you’re finished grouting.
5. Normally yes. It doesn’t need to be the same size, though. Sometimes the same size grout line in the mosaics look better with the grout line size that is in the mosaics themselves rather than the grout line size on your other tiles. If they’re different it may look weird.
So you calk from the bottom of the backerboard to the top of the tub, then you say to take the membrane down over it to the tub. What if you are using a paintable membrane like Redguard – does that mean you paint over the calk?
Linda
Hi Linda,
Yes, but you use 100% silicone in that application. The difference is important. Caulk loses its elasticity and will not last long-term.
Thanks Roger. It seems that you and many others agree that this is a good way to go (embedding the durock). I think I will do it this way. However, this is in direct opposition to USG directions! Makes you wonder how much they really know. They do not even advise putting a vapor barrier behind Durock! (I spoke with them on the phone).
Yup. I had a go around with them on the lack of barrier directions as well. Like any other corporation it comes down to them covering their asses. Being that they sell their products for more than just shower areas they take into consideration the other construction applications, in which none require a vapor barrier.
This subject (embedding the durock) has been the focus of many discussions involving many contractors and differing opinions. Each has their own and, for the most part, they all work. It’s just one of those areas that, since they all work, you’ll never find a majority consensus on one method over the other.
Thanks so much for the response. And you are quick!
oh one last thing. Can i still use Redgard or Hydrband on the durock walls even though i did a traditiona shower pan with rubber liner? I read the manuals, but i missed whether i could mix the two systems. Thanks!
Yup, no problems with that at all. Just be sure to install the membrane below where the top of the liner is behind the wall.
sorry, i am not following. i have the pre slope, then the pvc liner. Then the durock walls and taping them. then the top deck of mud layer. i thought i am to paint the regard on as the next step. did not see anything about a membrane in your literature. sorry!
Sorry, I’m referring to the pvc liner on the floor, which should run up the wall behind the durock. Your redgard or hydroban needs to be painted below where the top of the pvc liner is behind the wall. If your pvc liner runs up the wall 12 inches the redgard must be painted down to below that level.
Hi Roger
Above Sam said “I’ve seen guys put up the cement board first and imbed it right into the top mud deck of the shower pan. Is this acceptable?” and you replied “As long as it is not touching the liner itself and the backer has a proper barrier behind it then yes, it’s acceptable. It helps lock the bottom portion of the backer into place.” So #1 – By “barrier”, are you referring to the plastic sheeting? And #2 – I have also seen guys put the durock above the final mud bed leaving a gap at bottom since they say water can wick up the durock. In this case, I guess the shower floor tiles would be against the bottom of the durock, sort of keeping it in place. How do you feel about that? Which method is best? And wouldn’t the wixking effect also occur in scenario 1 sine the durock is embeeded in the mud? I am ready to do this, so appreicate your response. Thanks!
Hi Janice,
Yes, I’m referring to the plastic sheeting used as a moisture barrier behind the backer. Water can wick up, but if using a traditional method (the barrier) the backerboard will be saturated anyway. The amount of water in the backerboard above the floor is always going to be more than the board can wick up. Water rarely fights gravity. It will begin to drain down the board and as long as the backer is not touching the pan liner it will have no problem draining out of the board.
The shower floor tiles will be against it, and will hold it in place, provided you can keep the wall substrate completely flat for the 24 hours the thinset will take to cure before the floor tiles can hold it there. With the deck mud you can pound it in there and it will hold it in place before the deck mud cures.
I took all the tiles on my shower walls, it’s a freeatanding shower. I want to save the floor tiles. After taking the backboard there is a gap on the bottom .Can i just shove another backboard and caulk?
Hi Ruth,
Pretty open-ended question there. The answer depends a lot on why you removed the tile. Was it a leak? Just changing the tile? Are there any problems with the waterproofing? If you’re simply replacing the tile for a different tile, rather than because there was a problem then yes, you can simply put the new backer in. No reason to caulk the backer if there isn’t a problem with the floor unless you are using a topical waterproofing on the new walls.
Hi Roger
I’ve seen guys put up the cement board first and imbed it right into the top mud deck of the shower pan. Is this acceptable?
Hey Sam,
As long as it is not touching the liner itself and the backer has a proper barrier behind it then yes, it’s acceptable. It helps lock the bottom portion of the backer into place.
Since I have a tub base and want to stop the backerboard about 1/8 inch above the lip, what do I fill the gap with……..cement or caulk?
Hi Terry,
Nothing. Your waterproof barrier overlaps the flange and the tile just hangs over the front of it. Unless you’re using a topical waterproofing – in that case you want to fill it with silicone and take the membrane down over it to the tub.
How important is it to get the CB screws countersunk/flush. Can I back them out and reseat them? IF they wont go any deeper do I need a new drill?
Hey Michael,
It’s pretty important – your tile won’t sit flat over them. You can back them out and reseat them. Yes, if they won’t then your drill is not powerful enough. You wanted new tools anyway.
Shower wall 1/2 below grade & 1/2 above.
I am having a build up of moisture between 6 mil plastic and back of cement board.
What is happening??
Hi Bill,
Extremely difficult to give you any suggestion at all about what’s happening with only a one sentence description of your construction details. Do you have a cinder block wall? A regular framed wall? Have you checked the moisture content of your slab? It sounds like it may simply be temperature differential of the two grades behind the wall, but I really have no idea without more information.
It’s just a plain framed wall only on shower side.
The wall is not finished on the other side, The basement is 98% finished
The wall is app 1/2 below grade level and top is 1/2 is above grade.
It’s looks like parts of the plastic, about 10%, in one bay is sticking to the cement board. Three bays have no moisture at all yet.
Wall has been up about 8-10 months. The left bay, which is next to the back door, about 8-10 from door, this where the problem is.
I hope this helps some what.
It sounds like a simple temperature differential is leading to condensation between the plastic and backer. Once you cover up the back side of the wall it should eliminate the problem.
Thank you for all your help.
Hi Roger,
For those of us that end up driving some screws in the wrong spot of CBU thereby leaving a nice hole for water to potentially go through, and that don’t want to invest in a whole container of pricey waterproofer (but rather pay for a small amount for their caulking gun), would you recommend some polyurethane caulk over silicone to seal the holes? I personally don’t like to use silicone under thinset because that spot ends up without any ”grab”. Any better recommendation?
Thanks!
Hey JF,
Polyurethane caulk will work just as well as the silicone in that situation.
And stop doing that.
Hey! You have a ton of great stuff on here! Love your website! We have installed a new tub and are tiling the surround and floor. You mentioned you tape and mud the ceiling joint…are we talking thinset and fiberglass tape or drywall mud and tape? We are using the hardiebacker and tiling all the way to the ceiling. I was wondering if we could just leave the space at the top and then caulk it when complete. I know we shouldn’t grout next to the ceiling due to the movement…
Also, what do you do where the hardiebacker meets the drywall? Thinset or regular mud? Wher the to meet will be close to our paint line and I didn’t know how easy it would be to paint over thinset and have it not be obvious of the texture difference.
Thanks for your help!
Carla
Wow! Sorry about the spelling errors in the second paragraph! Yikes! I was meaning on the two short shower walls where the hardiebacker meets the drywall…hope that makes sense! Thanks again! Carla
Hi Carla,
Anything taped and mudded either inside the shower or which has thinset bonded to it needs to be taped with alkali-resistant mesh tape. Thinset will corrode normal drywall tape. Anything inside the shower, including the ceiling transition, needs to be mudded with thinset, water will corrode normal drywall mud and turn it to mush over time. Cured thinset can be sanded and textured just like regular drywall mud. You should tape and mud the ceiling transition rather than just caulk, there will be a lot of movement there.
Roger,
I just wanted to double check to make sure I understand the bit about the corners. You’re saying instead of using thinset and tape on the corners (changes in plane), like I would if I was putting up drywall, I want to instead just fill them with silicone and I’m done? I can then put Redgard or whatever else directly over that and tile? Would this include the corners at the top where I have the Hardiebacker meeting a drwall ceiling? What about the outside corners around the doorway area?
I’m double checking because I’ve read some contradictory things online and trying to nail down the right way to do this. Thanks so much for all the help and advice.
Mike
Hey Mike,
This is how I do it – it is not in the standards book this way. My big thing is compensating for movement where I can. Standards say to tape and mud, then silicone the gap between tiles to compensate for any movement. I would rather do that in the backer substrate itself – just makes sense to me. You’ll read many opinions contradictory to that. It’s simply how I do it.
I only silicone in the inside corners where tile is going to meet tile on the finished wall. Substrate to ceiling and outside corners are taped and mudded. I do paint the membrane directly over that. Keep in mind that liquid waterproofing will not stick to silicone well! It simply fills in any areas you may have missed with the silicone to waterproof the entire corner.
The bottom line is what do you feel comfortable with? I have had no problems utilizing either method – they both work in my experience.
I’m a lot of help, huh?
Haha, very helpful, at least now I know why there’s contradictory statements online; seems like that’s the case for everything though.
Just a clarification on the outside corners. I have a kind of framed entry into the shower, basically it’s like a door frame instead of the shower being open and the shower walls transitioning smoothly into the bathroom walls. The tile will wrap around this frame and outside the shower to form a border on the outside of the shower, the drywall will then start after this border. As a result I have some outside corners on this frame that will have tile meeting tile. Would you silicone these or mud and tape?
Also, one more for ya, we are putting a niche into the back wall of the shower, do you silicone or mud and tape the resulting corners?
Tape and mud the outside corners as well as all the niche corners. The only corners I silicone are the large, main corners from the floor or tub to the ceiling. That’s where the brunt of that movement will be as they are two opposing walls which may press against each other. The outside corners may expand, but they will expand apart rather than together – tape and mud helps with that. Niche changes in plane are small areas of substrate mostly simply attached to the studs. Not much opposing movement there.
Hey there, love your site…it’s very helpful. I have a question about corner joints with backerboard…I see that you recommend silicone caulk in the corner, as opposed to thinset and tape. I have read some other recommendations, one specifically in Wonderboard’s, that say to tape the corner joint, embedding the alkali resistant tape in the thinset, just as you would any normal in-plane seam. I just want to do it correctly, so what should I do? thanks!
Hey Brian,
Mudding and taping corners is standard procedure. I silicone mine with most regular showers. I simply prefer to compensate for the movement there which will happen with tape and mud or silicone. The different planes of the walls are going to move in different directions – nothing at all you can do about that. I would rather compensate for that movement instead of fighting it. If the corners are siliconed the silicone adds enough flexibility for most of the force to be dissipated at the layer of the wall studs and backer – it will be mostly dissipated by the time it reaches the tile.
This is my method – how I do it. Sometimes I overthink or overbuild things. When the corners are taped and mudded I think it creates another unmovable layer which must, somehow, compensate for the normal expansion and contraction.
I have a small bathroom…so I’m wondering how to make it appear larger. I’m tiling the shower and the floor.
1) So what size tile should I use?
2) What color….light or dark?
3) What pattern should I use?
TIA
Hi Steve,
Allright – you asked for it. But it’s gonna sound counter-intuitive.
16×16 or larger tile on the floor turned diagonally and 12×12 tile on the shower wall with a vertical accent stripe. Normally lighter tile makes a room lighter, therefore larger.
Thanks for your post on CBU for shower walls. I also read your post on the Red Guard. Because I did not put a VB behind the Hardieboard, I will use Red Guard to waterproof the walls, which I am tiling with 12 x 12 porcelains.
With respect to taping the seams on in-plane joints of the Hardieboard, would you still use the thinset and acrylic tape combination and then apply the Red Guard over it? Or would you recommend a different mortar/mud just for the taping of the joints other than the thinset. Btw, I’m thinking of using TEC Full Flex – Latex Modified Thin Set Mortar for the porcelain tile install.
Thanks.
Andy B
Hey Andy,
Same technique – thinset and alkali-resistant mesh tape (not acrylic tape). Redgard goes right over it. Tec full-flex is good stuff, it’ll work fine.
Thanks for all the info, love the website. A couple of questions about waterproofing – when stapling the vapor barrier to the studs, does any kind of sheathing tape need to be placed over the staples to get a complete seal? Also is there any reason to be concerned about the cement board screws penetrating through the vapor barrier to attach to the studs? Will this affect the waterproofing at all?
Hi Matt,
There is no need for sheathing tape, but it won’t hurt anything if it helps you sleep at night.
As you screw in the fastener the screw will pucker up the plastic around it as you drive it in. This creates a dam of sorts between the backer and stud around the fastener. Remember – you aren’t leaving an open hole the size of the fastener – the only open penetration, if any, will be between the plastic and the sides of the screw. As the water runs down the wall behind the backer it will reach the top of this dam and run around it, not into it. The screw essentially seals the plastic around the threads as you drive it in.
I recently had contractors install cement backerboard behind the tile in our shower. Within a week (literally a week) the grout started cracking. I called them back and they came and replaced the grout that was cracking with caulking. Within another week, the caulking began to crack. I used duct tape to cover all the open gaps so that water would not be going behind the walls. I see that it is recommended to use a water barrier behind the cement backerboard which I know they did NOT do. I’m assuming that the walls are moving now causing the cracking. They also did not leave gaps or drywall seal them. After spending thousands of dollars only a month or so ago, I am beyond frustrated. The contractor is scheduled to come back over in the next day or so to see what he can do. Isn’t it too late now? We had to rent a hotel room for 2 weeks so our bathroom could be remodeled. It’s a shame that you try to hire contractors that should know what they’re doing and ours clearly didn’t. Now what can I do to prevent further cracking and damage to the walls?
Hi Julie,
Unfortunately it is too late. The first indication is that they replaced the grout with caulk – never do that! Caulk is not a permanent product. I guess they figured since it has some flexibility it would compensate for that movement – it won’t. Being that it began to crack that quickly it COULD be due to the grout and caulk shrinking – but that would indicate they’ve used larger grout lines (larger than 1/8″) and used unsanded grout, as well as unsanded caulk. IF that’s the case then the issue may be resolved by replacing the grout (and caulk) with sanded grout.
That, however, will not compensate for having a shower which is not waterproof. I think the lack of a waterproof barrier has allowed water to penetrate your wall framing and your wall studs are swelling up. Is this problem more pronounced at the lower part of the shower? If so – that’s your problem. The only viable solution is to completely rebuild the shower properly. If, however, your grout (and caulk) are cracking throughout the entire shower, even up where water rarely hits it, then it may be indicative of the shrinking issue.