The following five-part series gives a basic overview of building a shower floor for tile. If you would like a complete step-by-step of the entire process with all the little idiosyncrasies and details  I now have manuals describing the complete process for you from bare wall studs all the way up to a completely waterproof shower substrate for your tile.

If you are tiling your walls and floor you can find that one here: Waterproof shower floor and wall manual.

If you have a tub or pre-formed shower base and are only tiling the walls you can find that one here: Waterproof shower walls manual.

Curb and Pre-slope

Image of a shower diagram

Properly built shower

There are a couple of options to create a shower floor for tile using deck mud. The first is a single-layer shower floor which can then be coated with RedGard or a similar product or covered with kerdi to waterproof it. The other is a normal shower floor with a liner which will have two layers – a preslope, the liner, then the top slope which is then tiled. This series of posts will describe the latter.

Before we start I should note that unless you are using the kerdi waterproofing method or utilizing a liquid membrane as your floor liner you should not have the backerboard installed in the bottom part of the shower. Your waterproof membrane for a shower floor will be installed behind your backerboard. The curb and pre-slope need to be completed before installing the lower wall substrate.

Creating the curb for a wooden floor

The first thing you must do is create the outside curb of your shower. You need to create the “box” which will become the inside of your shower floor. Depending upon whether your shower will be created on a wood or  concrete floor will dictate what material you use for your curb.

If you have a wooden floor you want to use regular dimensional lumber. The 2 x 4’s they carry at Home Depot – those. That is the easiest and most readily available material. Ideally you want to use kiln-dried lumber. That is lumber that is, well, dried in a kiln. By removing moisture in this manner the moisture content of KD lumber is normally between six and eight percent compared to regular dimensional lumber at close to 15%.  Why does that matter? Well moisture and wood don’t mix. As it dries wood has a tendency to warp and twist. The less moisture initially in the wood the better.  KD lumber is best and regular air-dried dimensional lumber is also acceptable. NEVER use pressure treated lumber – ever.

I usually use  three or more stacked 2 x 4’s to create my curb depending on the size of the shower. Simply screw the first one to the floor (with correct non-corrosive screws), stack the next one on top and screw it down, and so on until the desired height is reached. That easy.

Creating the curb for a concrete floor

Image of a brick curb

Using Bricks for a shower cub

For a concrete floor you want to use bricks. Yeah, bricks. Just stack ’em. I use gray concrete bricks (no holes) and stack them two or three high for my curbs. You can use just regular thinset to adhere them to the floor and to each other. Just stack them in the shape you want.

You do not want to use wood for your curb on concrete. Wood will actually absorb moisture from your concrete and start to swell.

Creating the pre-slope

This is one of the steps most often skipped by a lot of people – amateurs as well as professionals. It is imperative! You need it – it’s that simple. Without a pre-slope your waterproof liner will lay flat on the floor. This does not give water anywhere to go. It will sit there, stagnate, mold, . . . you get the idea. With a proper pre-slope any water will drain to the weep holes in the drain and go where it needs to – away.

Lathe for wooden floor

Lathe installation for wood floor

You need to first make sure your shower floor will stay where you put it. On wood you can use regular metal lathe.

You need to place what is called a ‘cleavage’ membrane beneath your lathe. This is just a sheet of plastic or tar paper stapled to your wood floor first with the lathe placed over it. The membrane does not make anything waterproof! If someone tells you that hit ’em in the head with a bat. It is necessary to prevent the wooden floor from sucking the moisture out of the pre-slope prematurely causing it to cure too fast (or not fully) and significantly weakening it.

When your membrane is down staple the lathe over the top of that. Just cut it to the shape of your shower floor and lay it flat on the floor and staple or nail it down. This gives your mud bed something to grab onto. In the above photo I have used plastic as my membrane and only have a partial piece of lathe in – make sure you cover the entire area below your pre-slope.

Image of a properly prepared pre-slope

A properly prepared pre-slope

For a concrete floor you need to mix up some regular thinset except you need to mix it “loose”. That just means you need to add a bit more water than the instructions call for to make it thinner. Cover your shower floor area with this before you start installing your deck mud. The deck mud itself does not “stick” to anything, you need to supply something that will adhere it to your substrate.

Oh crap – Math???

To make the installation easier you’ll want to mark your height lines on your wall studs. To figure out how high it needs to be off the floor you need to figure out your slope. This involves a bit of math – don’t panic! It’s easy. Figure out which corner is farthest from the center of your drain. Your slope needs to go up in height 1/4″ for every foot. If your furthest corner is three feet from your drain center your slope needs to rise 3/4″. Easy enough so far, right?

Your finished floor (after your liner and top mud bed are installed) needs to be 1″ to 1 1/4″ thick at the drain. So, if we make the pre-slope  3/4″ thick at the drain it needs to be a total of 1 1/2 inch thick at all your walls. So mark a line 1 1/2″ from the floor all the way around the wall studs. This will be the height of your pre-slope at the walls. I try to make my pre-slope the correct thickness at the drain so it will be 1 1/2″ at the walls. This way you do not need to draw lines, just level your perimeter with the top of the 2 x 4 studs along the bottom of the wall. Depending on the size of the shower it doesn’t always work, but it saves time if you can work it out that way.

If your shower is not a square, and they rarely are, you still need to have the same thickness at the walls all the way around the perimeter. This means that you will have a steeper slope on the walls closer to the drain. This is normal. If you don’t do it this way you will have uneven tile cuts at the bottom of your wall. By doing it this way you will ensure a level line and, in turn, a level floor around your perimeter.

The height of your pre-slope at the drain can vary. It  needs to be level with the top of the bottom flange of your drain. Regular drains have two flanges which bolt to each other. The pre-slope needs to be at least level or a touch higher than the bottom flange. Your liner then goes between the top and bottom flange to utilize the weep holes in the drain. This allows any water atop the liner to drain. The pre-slope supports the liner so it needs to be level or above every point of the lower flange. Does that make sense?

This is why planning is so important. Your drain needs to be high (or low) enough and your curb needs to be higher than your shower floor – naturally. So figure all this out before you build anything.

Playing with mud

Now we need to mix up a batch of deck mud. Check out that link, I’ll wait . . .

Okay, once your mud is mixed up you want to start packing it in there. If you are going over concrete and have your thinset slurry down, cover the entire bottom of the shower floor first to ensure the entire base will stick. If you have a large shower only spread as much thinset as you can reach over at a time. Start at the walls and pack your mud down really well – beat the hell out of it. Seriously, beat it like the last DMV employee you spoke with. You want to eliminate any voids and create as dense a bed as possible. Don’t worry, it won’t hit back.

Pack it down around the perimeter to just above your line. When you get that done get yourself a 2 x 4 about 18 – 24 inches long. Lay that on top of your mud bed against your wall and tap the 2 x 4 down with your hammer until it is even with your line. This ensures a level, even line all the way around your perimeter. Perfect! Now don’t touch the edges.

Image of properly prepared deck mud

Properly prepared deck mud

Continue to pack mud into your shower base all the way from the perimeter down to the drain. You should have a straight line from the perimeter to the drain without any dips or humps. This will allow water to drain correctly without pooling anywhere. While this particular layer of your shower floor does not have to be exact, you do need to make certain it is fairly flat in regards to the line from the perimeter to the drain.

Image of a consistent pre-slope

Ensure a consistent slope

That’s it. When you get it all packed in there it should have a shape similar to a very, very shallow bowl. Now leave it alone. Really, leave it alone. The next day it will be ready to install your liner and all that fun stuff. Don’t play with it until then.

In my next post I will show you how to install your waterproof liner. Until then leave your pre-slope alone. It’s fine. Quit trying to perfect it. We’ll do that tomorrow. Get away from it. Really. Stop staring at it . . .

Read this next if I haven’t already bored you to death: How to create a shower floor Part 2

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  • Brady C

    Hi! When doing your preslope on concrete slab what type of thinset do you use on the slab before your do your preslope mud? Modified or unmodified thinset?

    • Roger

      Hi Brady,

      Either will work just fine.

  • Jessica

    My mud bed/wet bed has been laid and set for 2 days. There seems to be some give in one spot when you stand on it (a bubble or air pocket). Is this a problem? Does the whole thing need to come up and be redone?

    • Roger

      Hi Jessica,

      Yes, that is a problem. You want a solid foundation in every area of the floor. You don’t need to take the whole thing up, you can just dig out those areas and repack them. It is likely either a hollow spot beneath or the mud is not packed (condensed) well enough in those areas.

  • Wayne

    This may be a dumb question but it’s what came to mind. Why is it ok to pour mud bed up to wood floor plate and studs but not ok to use the same wood 2 x 4s as a curb? Wouldn’t the rubber membrane wrap up and over the curb and protect it from moisture just as it does to protect the wood studs?

    • Roger

      Hi Wayne,

      It isn’t the waterproofness, it’s expansion. With a curb the entire curb is encapsulated by tile (3 sides). Wood is going to expand and contract, in a wall cavity that expansion has three other directions to go, under a curb it will go all three directions right into the back of tile. The mud can go against it, but you need a buffer of some sort between the wood and the tile.

      • Wayne

        Ok, that makes sense, thanks for the answer. So backer board wrapped around the three sides of the curb would not provide that buffer?

        • Roger

          You can only do that if you’re using a topical waterproofing membrane over the shower floor and the cement board over the curb. If you aren’t then there is no way to attach the cement board which will not puncture your liner. If you are using topical, yes, you can do that. But you want to use kd (kiln-dried) lumber, NOT pressure treated.

  • Victor

    HI! I have a question about the slope on a rectangle shaped shower floor. Is there a way to contact you?

    Thank you!

  • Ben

    Why not waterproof frame before pre-slope? Mortar is directly touching bottom plate, why is this not a concern? Thanks.

    • Roger

      You can if you want to. Deck mud is touching the bottom plate, not mortar. The amount of alkali (in the concrete, in the deck mud) is not nearly enough to cause problems against that bottom plate. It is not the same as regular concrete or even mortar. But waterproof it if you want. :)

  • Sue

    Can’t sleep at nights!
    My contractor says he did preslope but there is none! they even installed shower pan liner! I will rip everything and built it by myself.
    But the thing is:

    I have concrete slab and they again used Sakrete Concrete Mix to create deck mud (not mixed with anything – sand or smth else). So, will I demo that?
    If I were not to demo, How I am gonna do the slope? thinset on top of that concrete mix and measure 12″ from drain and start doing slope? Because base drain is already flush with the cement mix, If I start giving slope right from drain, then drain will be really low, I believe.
    I am not sure If I could explain it enough, but I hope.
    Also, they used 2×4 for curbs and drilled holes already on the concrete slab. So should I change them with brick? if so, how to deal with holes on the slab?
    Again, if I were to demo the 2×4 then would that effect the concrete mix, had been applied for preslope?
    When I am finished with this shower, I will make sure that no one uses :)

    Thanks in advance.

    • Sue

      Ohh, forgot to mention. I will be using linear drain – off wall (6″ or so from the wall) and my shower size is about 3 feet wide and 60″ long.

      • Roger

        Oh, in that case it needs to be demoed and redone. You can’t raise linear drains and you would need to in order to use the existing slope.

    • Roger

      Hi Sue,

      You CAN use the existing floor as a preslope IF you can raise the drain, the lower flange, to be flush with the top of the existing slope. If you can not, demo the whole thing and start over. YES, the wood should be changed to brick – this is a MUST. Fill the holes in the concrete with deck mud or concrete, they won’t affect anything.

      Trying to save what’s there and using it sounds like it may be a LOT harder than simply starting over.

  • RYAN

    hi, when installing the lower part of the drain on concrete. does the lower sit flush with the concrete or should it be raised?


    • Roger

      Hi Ryan,

      Either one is fine. I normally set them flush, it’s just easier.

  • John

    Going to use traditional water proofing method. Floor joists are 2 x 10″ on 12″ centers. Subfloor is tongue and groove 5/8″. Will that work for traditional mud pan?

    • John

      Actually, I have a joist at wall, another in 6″, and then two mire at 12″ centers So, 4- 2×10 joists under 32″ or 34″ shower pan.

    • Roger

      Hi John,

      Yes, that will work fine.

      • John

        Thanks, I finished it already.

  • cliff gustafson

    Dear Elf,
    If you would please resend instruction guides you sent before.
    I have obtained a new computer and the hard drive from old one was
    fried…I would appreciate it a lot. Also if you would like compensation
    tell me. Your guides have been of great value to me in my business.
    Also, please double check your recommended instruction for math in a propane
    there may be a confusing note or it may be time for new glasses for me..
    Thanks so much, Cliff Gustafson

    • Roger

      Hi Cliff,

      If you send me an email at I can take care of that for you. Thanks.

  • Kurt

    Hi Roger, thanks for this site, it’s been super helpful. A question about the point above where you recommend putting thinset down on a concrete floor prior to the preslope so the deck mud can stick to it… does the thinset have to dry first before I install my preslope?

    • Roger

      Hi Kurt,

      No, you do it while it’s wet.

      • Kurt

        Thanks Roger!

  • George

    I am preparing to tile my 3′ x 3′ shower and in the process of building a curb with treated 2×4’s (3). My question is how far back do I place the 2×4’s from the outside corner of the drywall ?

    • Roger

      Hi George,

      The first thing you need to do is get rid of the treated 2×4’s and use kiln-dried 2×4’s (assuming your substrate is wood). I normally leave them back a minimum of 1″, that leaves enough for 1/2″ backer plus your tile to meet nearly flush with the corner. You can adjust the amount of mortar behind those tiles to get it exactly where you want it and 1″ gives you enough leeway to do that.

  • christopher

    I think I missed something, how do i attach the liner to the brick curb?

    • Roger

      Hi Christopher,

      Read through this – it explains it for you.

  • Bethany Killen

    Question I’m hoping you can answer because I have searched everywhere for info and find nothing… I have a concrete slab and i tore out a fiberglass insert to do a tile wall only shower. Can I regard the slab directly and then pour a sloped concrete floor over that to be my finished floor? No tile just concrete. I plan to redguard slab, backerboard walls and then tile all the way to the floor but would like a plain concrete floor. Is redguarding the flat slab sufficient if the top layer of concrete is sloped? Thanks for any input!

    • Roger

      Hi Bethany,

      Although I absolutely would not recommend it you can do that with the redgard. HOWEVER (!) you will HAVE TO create a sloped base (pre-slope) under the redgard. Placing it on the flat slab will not cause the water to run down the drain once it soaks through the top layer of concrete – it will simply sit on the flat, waterproofed slab. This leads to mold – a lot of it. If you create a pre-slope beneath the redgard so the water runs into the drain once it reaches the redgard then that won’t be an issue. And yes, a LOT of water will get through the concrete, it’s extremely porous. Think about a driveway when it rains, the discoloration is water that soaks through the concrete, it doesn’t evaporate (mostly).

      • Bethany Killen

        That’s what I was afraid of… so basically I have to pour two sloped concrete floors with redguard in the middle. I guess I will just do the typical concrete slope with tile on top because I have concrete slab floors in my house and I don’t want to end up with a significantly higher shower floor that you have to step up into. Thanks for your help! Great blog!

  • Rick

    April 18, 2020
    Sorry Roger I misspelled your name in previous post. Wow really cool you check messages so freq for prompt responses thank you!!
    I then must ask I haven’t got your books but with my due diligence What I’ve come to gather your cement board is installed into your top mud standard shower floor with topical membrane walls…doesn’t the cement board still have a tendency to wick or absorb the water from a freq used shower pan even with the continuous membrane to edges of floor. I know it’s a “in” “ out “ system but freq use, doesn’t the top deck stay damp and eventually saturate the lower portion of the cement board?
    I guess that’s why I subconsciously left my cement board short of the top deck. But I want to finish the shower to my best of your recommendations! I’m I setting my self up with any potential problems leaving the cement board short and allowing gravity to work….we all know water can go up hill!!! Thanks for listening again, I don’t want to do a half ass job with one of the last steps to my shower!!!
    Take care
    Rick from Erie, CO

    • Roger

      Hi Rick,

      If you scroll down I’ve already answered all this for you – on the 18th. :)

  • Rick

    Hi Rodger,
    I have left my cement board/durorock above my top deck mud in my standard shower floor with PVC liner but am using a topical membrane hydroban on the walls….Should I fill in the space with deck mud to have a continuous topical membrane to floor and then “paint” floor at edges with hydroban or leave space and understand the PVC liner will do its job…..

    • Roger

      Hi Rick,

      No need to. Just paint it to the bottom of the backer, gravity will take care of the rest.

    • Rick

      Sorry Roger I misspelled your name in previous post. Wow really cool you check messages so freq for prompt responses thank you!!
      I then must ask I haven’t got your books but with my due diligence What I’ve come to gather your cement board is installed into your top mud standard shower floor with topical membrane walls…doesn’t the cement board still have a tendency to wick or absorb the water from a freq used shower pan even with the continuous membrane to edges of floor. I know it’s a “in” “ out “ system but freq use, doesn’t the top deck stay damp and eventually saturate the lower portion of the cement board?
      I guess that’s why I subconsciously left my cement board short of the top deck. But I want to finish the shower to my best of your recommendations! I’m I setting my self up with any potential problems leaving the cement board short and allowing gravity to work….we all know water can go up hill!!! Thanks for listening again, I don’t want to do a half ass job with one of the last steps to my shower!!!
      Take care
      Rick from Erie, CO

      • Roger

        It can be done either way. If the cement board is buried in the deck mud (NOT technically the proper method) and a topical membrane is being used I tell people to paint the membrane onto the deck mud about four inches out from the wall for a continuous layer. If, however, it is done properly (like you have done) the cement board is never touching the deck mud so the board cannot wick water. In that case you just need to paint it to the bottom of the backer.

  • Ben Legault

    I was informed by the folks at Sakrete that their sand mix has a sand to portland ratio of 4:1. Thought this might be useful, as most brands have a ratio of 3:1.
    Also, just wanted to thank you, Roger, for this site. The information you share is extremely useful for any DIYer who wishes to do it right the first time, and you deliver the info with a good sense of humor.

  • David

    I just purchased one of the manuals you offer. Great information in it! Thanks! I do have a question about the shower pan pre-slope. My shower area will be about 4’x6′ with a linear drain along a 4′ wall opposite the entry (entry is on the 6′ wall. For a linear drain install, is the pre-slope the same as you describe for a standard “center” drain? As you know, even for a linear drain, it hooks into a standard 2″ round drain flange. I didn’t know if anything special was done (like one continuous slope to drain from far wall) with the pre-slope on an install like this. Thanks again.

    • Roger

      Hi David,

      Your preslope with a linear drain will be a flat, consistent slope from the entry to the drain. This will, however, cause your bottom row of tile to ‘slope’ so you will have bigger pieces at the drain than at the entry, it follows that slope. With the drain at one end of the shower you will not have a level perimeter along the 6′ walls.

      • David

        Thanks! Hat was my plan, but it’s great to get a pros opinion. I’m also making the shower with a zero entry so there is no curb. Do you have any suggestions on waterproofing the entry area? I was thinking of applying Redgard to my final slope with a fiberglass mesh tape at the transition out of the shower. I have even seen videos where the Redgard is applied on the entire bathroom floor outside the shower when a curbless system is installed. Do you think that is necessary?

        • Roger

          I don’t think the entire floor is necessary. I normally waterproof out about two feet from the entrance, that is normally plenty.

  • Aimee

    Hi Floor Elf, Thanks for all the info! Just like the comment below mine, I have quite a few divots in my pre-slope. I’ve tried to fill them with more deck mud over thinset but it just balls up. Can I use regular thinset alone to fill the divots?

    • Roger

      Hi Aimee,

      Yes you can, provided they are no deeper than about 1/4″ or so.

  • Half Beard

    In my pre-slope I have a few small (1×3 inch-ish wide and maybe 1/32 or 1/16 inch deep) slopes and divets. That will mosty likely pool small amounts of water if i don’t fill them. Do i need to mix up a concrete mix or can i fill them with sand.

    • Roger

      You can fill it with sand in your preslope.

  • David Krieg

    Hello, I am starting the process of installing a shower (with linear drain) over a crawl space. I’ll be using 2 layers of mud with a water proof membrane in between. With regards to the drain. What is the minimum thickness of mud (1st layer) next to the drain? I’ve seen posts that say over 1 inch and I’ve seen pictures/videos where it appears to be approximately 1/4″.
    Thanks for your comments.

    • Roger

      Hi David,

      For a linear drain that will be determined by the height of the trough. Normally it’s 3/4″ minimum, but different manufacturers have thicker drain bases. It will be the height of the drain from the bottom to where the liner clamps into it.

  • Ashley

    Hi. Where can I buy the gray concrete brick for the shower curb? I’m having trouble finding this. Also, what were the dimensions you used? Thank you!

    • Roger

      Hi Ashley,

      I get them at home depot. I don’t understand the dimensions question, they are 2x3x8, only one size.