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How to Create a Shower Floor – Part 4

by Roger

Well, you’ve made it to the final step. If you have arrived at this portion of the instructions without first reading the rest, start with How to Create a Shower Floor. Go ahead, I’ll be right here when you get back. I’ll just sit back and drink this beer Pepsi while I wait.

Okay, now that we’ve ensured that your shower liner is indeed waterproof and won’t leak into your dining room and carve the Grand Canyon into your basement we’re ready for the final portion. The top mud bed is the surface onto which your shower floor tile is actually installed.

What we will now be doing is fabricating your top mud bed directly over the top of your waterproof liner. The top bed will be 1 1/4″ to 1 1/2″ thick – consistent throughout from the drain to the wall. Since you have a pre-slope beneath your liner (umm, you DO have a pre-slope beneath your liner, right?) you already have the correct slope for drainage. By making a consistent mudbed for your top slope it will follow the slope for the same amount. Know what I mean?

Here, take a look at this badly created diagram and that may help explain it – and don’t give me any crap about my lack of photoshop skills! You can click on the diagram for the full-size version.

diagram of a shower floor

Shower Floor Fabrication

The top mud bed is what we have left for your shower provided you’ve followed in order. See how the top mud bed is properly sloped toward the drain even though it is a consistent thickness? That’s what I mean.

A couple of notes before we start making a mess. You can install your moisture barrier and backerboard on the walls at this point if you want to. DO NOT put any screws through the liner, stop them above the top of the liner. The top mud bed will hold the bottom in place if you choose to do it like this. Your moisture barrier must go over the top of your pan liner as in the diagram. This ensures that any moisture will run down into the shower rather than into your framing behind your wall.

In my wonderful diagram I have the wall substrate or backerboard installed after the top mud bed is fabricated, you can also do it in this manner. Installing it before, though, assists in getting a level perimeter around the base of your shower since you can draw lines on the wall. It’s up to you.

Determining the thickness of your top mud bed relies mostly upon the amount of vertical movement you have in your drain. You need to make sure that you can unscrew the center portion (this moves the top of the drain up) enough to be level or a hair below the top of your mudbed with tile. The easiest way to determine this is to start at 1 1/4″ – that’s just the thickness I prefer to have if possible.

Location of Weep holes in shower drain

Location of Weep holes in shower drain

Location of Weep holes in shower drain

Location of Weep holes in shower drain

Weep holes in drain covered with pea gravel

Weep holes in drain covered with pea gravel

You need to place pea gravel, spacers, or something similar around the drain where the weep holes are located. This prevents deck mud from clogging up your weep holes and nullifying all of your hard work. If plugged up the shower cannot properly drain beneath your floor tile and your house will fall down and your dog will burst into flames. Okay, maybe your house won’t collapse, but it won’t be a good thing. Make sure you place something there that prevents clogging of your weep holes.

Place a piece of your floor tile on the base of the drain – on the upper part of the flange – and unscrew the barrel of the drain until you reach 1 1/4 inch. As long as the barrel is still firmly screwed into the flange at this height you have enough to create a 1 1/4″ top mud bed. If the drain falls out before you reach 1 1/4″ (it won’t) – go with 1″.

Measuring drain for top mud slope

Figure 1

Marking line for top mud bed slope

Figure 2

Now the fun part – we’re gonna make your lines so you can see what your doing, where you need to be, and make your slope correct and consistent. Get your 2 x 4 (which is actually 3 1/2″ x 1 1/2″ – economy I guess) and set it on top of your drain (Figure 1). Measure from the liner to the top of the 2 x 4. In this photo it is (or close enough to) 4 3/4″.

You then need to make that mark at the same height all the way around the perimeter of your shower walls (figure 2). If you have installed your backerboard you can just make that mark on the wall at a height of 4 3/4″. I use a laser because I’m a big Star Wars fan and that’s how I roll. Get one, they’re great for building showers and annoying small animals. That’s a versatile tool right there!

This may look a bit confusing at first, the 2 x 4 and all, but it will make sense shortly. Or not . . .

Now we need to prepare some more deck mud. Get out your shovel and mixing box. If you need the recipe again it’s here: How to Make Deck Mud. Start with the perimeter of the shower and dump your mud in there. I always start along the back wall of the shower.

Creating a level perimeter a shower floor

Figure 3

Creating a level perimeter a shower floor

Figure 5

Creating a level perimeter a shower floor

Figure 4

Get a good amount of deck mud packed along the walls higher than where you want it to be. Once you have a good amount packed against the wall grab your 2 x 4 and place it flat against the wall. Get your hammer and beat the deck mud down with the 2 x 4 until the top of the 2 x 4 is level with the line you’ve made on the wall or your laser line (figures 3, 4, and 5).

Simply continue to do this around the entire outside perimeter of your shower keeping all the edges level with your line. By utilizing the 2 x 4 with the laser or the drawn line you can be certain that the floor is level all the way around (Figure 6).

Some people have asked me why I have a hole in one of my 2 x 4′s. It’s a very detailed explanation – ready, pay attention – so I can hang it on a nail when I’m not using it. :D That’s all, stop overthinking everything, it’s a hole in a 2 x 4. You don’t need a hole in your 2 x 4 unless you have a storage problem.

Ensuring a Level Perimeter
Figure 6

In the next post we’ll finish up your floor, fill in the center and get ready for tile!

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greg January 28, 2010 at 4:27 pm

howdy,
i’ve enjoyed reading your tutorial. but i have a question. i want to just have a cement/concrete finish (no tile). what is my mix and/or what do you think about this?
sincerely greg

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Roger January 28, 2010 at 5:26 pm

Hi Greg,

Personally I wouldn’t do it. But I’m biased toward tile for some odd reason :D

If you want simply a concrete shower floor the only option I can think of would be a specialized concrete sealer made specifically for that purpose. Deck mud is not anything close to what you want and the manufacturer of any aforementioned sealer would more than likely require a specific mix of concrete for their product.

I did find this: Waterproofing beyond topical solutions You may want to check out that link, I don’t know if that will help or not.

If you change your mind and decide you want tile in your shower – I’ll be right here. :D

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greg January 28, 2010 at 6:27 pm

roger,
thank you for your speedy response.
krystal is an interesting product. i’ll have to remember it. but i have already completed the mortar bed today and this product mentions skipping that process. but i suppose this extra step could only be a good thing.
the problem of not using tile is the wicking of water through the concrete and sealing this sounds like the issue. is that right?
do you know any quality products for sealing concrete.
sincerely greg

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Roger January 28, 2010 at 7:53 pm

Hey Greg,

Yes, the problem is topically (or otherwise) sealing the concrete to allow any water in the shower, basin, or whatever, to flow only down into the drain without wicking through the concrete and into framing, etc.

To be honest I have no idea what I would use. I do the complete opposite with concrete. If it is sealed I will scarify it to remove the sealer in order to guarantee a bond of my mortar. I’m sure there are products available but I don’t know what they would be.

The best option, I think, would be to check out the concrete network. Anything I’ve ever needed to know about concrete I can find there. It should be able to help you out as well.

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