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		<title>Create a Shower Floor for Tile &#8211; Video Post</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 08:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since I&#8217;m just a tile guy I&#8221;m not usually up on all the new technological crap that has nothing to do with tile, like online video or the &#8216;SlapChop&#8217;.  I&#8217;ve decided that since I spend most of my days in other people&#8217;s showers that I should get out more and learn something else. So naturally, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Since I&#8217;m just a tile guy I&#8221;m not usually up on all the new technological crap that has nothing to do with tile, like online video or the &#8216;SlapChop&#8217;.  I&#8217;ve decided that since I spend most of my days in other people&#8217;s showers that I should get out more and learn something else.</p>
<p>So naturally, since I own kitchen knives, I decided to make a video about a tile subject. So here is my first video, sans sound because in audio I sound like a drunk leprechaun, for my readers. Umm &#8211; that&#8217;s you.</p>
<p>And since I actually have a day job and bills to pay all you get is a time-lapse photography of the creation of a mud deck for a tiled shower floor. But I&#8217;m gonna call it a tile video &#8217;cause Google loves that shit. <img src='http://floorelf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_whistle.gif' alt=':whistle:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p>If you&#8217;re old-school like me you can actually read the steps involved in this process starting with <a title="How to create a shower floor" href="http://floorelf.com/how-to-create-a-shower-floor-part-1">&#8216;How to Create a Shower Floor &#8211; Part 1&#8242;</a> wherein I will dazzle you with bad humor, lousy metaphors, and horrible photography. Oh, and a load of information on how to <strong>properly</strong> fabricate a shower floor for tile. But I know you just read my blog for the bad humor.</p>
<p>If you think my photography skills suck &#8211; wait&#8217;ll you see this. I&#8217;m absolutely certain the damn thing has already started playing even though I told it not to. Computers don&#8217;t listen to me. You can use the controls beneath the movie to start, stop, or FF, REW, all the old-school VCR stuff. <img src='http://floorelf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Feel free to leave a comment below. You know, something like &#8216;Hey dumbass, you shoulda bought a SlapChop instead!&#8217; If you want more videos just let me know. Maybe one day, with enough practice, I&#8217;ll be able to make one that doesn&#8217;t look like a three-year-old did it. Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>How to Create a Shower Floor &#8211; Part 5</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[And the rest . . . Once you have your entire perimeter done you simply need to pack deck mud into the rest of the base from the perimeter to the drain. Once again &#8211; beat the hell out of it. Seriously, pack it in there really well. The more dense your floor is the [...]]]></description>
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<p>Once you have your entire perimeter done you simply need to pack deck mud into the rest of the base from the perimeter to the drain. Once again &#8211; beat the hell out of it. Seriously, pack it in there really well. The more dense your floor is the better. You need to ensure that the line of the floor is straight from the wall to the drain all the way around without any major humps or dips. It takes time and patience &#8211; use both. This step is critical since this is the substrate your tile will be installed upon.</p>
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<p>Once you get the remainder of the deck mud packed into the shower and have it correctly packed and leveled just let it set for at least 12 hours, 24 would be better. Really, leave it alone. There is something about a freshly packed mud bed that makes people want to pick at it &#8211; it&#8217;s alluring &#8211; and a bit disturbing. But you need to leave it alone. So quit poking at it.</p>
<p>After it sets for about 12 hours you can fine tune it, so to speak, if you need to. Any un-flat spots can be scraped, rubbed, or sanded down to flatten them out. You can use regular sandpaper for this &#8211; really. Just make sure you have a flat surface from the wall to the drain. FLAT &#8211; not level. You want this surface absolutely flat.</p>
<p>If you have not yet done so you can now install your moisture barrier and backerboards. Now that you have a large waterproof box you are ready to install your tile and make it look all pretty. The hard part is finished. As with any proper tile installation the underlying substrates are the most important. Take your time with the preparation, it is imperative. Without proper preparation any tile installation is doomed to fail.</p>
<p>And your dog may burst into flames.</p>
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		<title>How to Create a Shower Floor &#8211; Part 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now that you have your curb built and your pre-slope done (if you haven&#8217;t done this yet check out How to create a shower floor, Part 1) you are ready to install your waterproof liner. Purchasing a waterproof liner When you order or buy your liner you need to get one large enough for your [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Now that you have your curb built and your pre-slope done (if you haven&#8217;t done this yet check out <a title="How to create a shower floor - part 1" href="http://floorelf.com/how-to-create-a-shower-floor-part-1">How to create a shower floor, Part 1</a>) you are ready to install your waterproof liner.</p>
<h3>Purchasing a waterproof liner</h3>
<p>When you order or buy your liner you need to get one large enough for your shower. The liner you get has to be <strong>at least</strong> one additional foot larger than each of your measurements. For instance, if your shower floor is three feet by five feet your liner needs to be four feet by six feet. This allows enough to run the liner up the wall behind your backerboard six inches each way. You also want to purchase two &#8220;outside&#8221; corners for your curb. These are pre-formed corner pieces to waterproof the ends of your curb after you cut the liner.</p>
<p>I usually order mine two feet larger in each direction. Six inches is the minimum. Specifications state that your liner must run up the wall at least three inches <strong>above your curb</strong>. So if your curb is three inches high your liner needs to run at least six inches up each wall. I usually go a foot above the curb &#8211; overbuilding your shower is rarely a bad thing.</p>
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<h3>Preparing your shower floor for a waterproof liner</h3>
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	<a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/CIMG1380.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-389" title="Finished mud floors are sandy" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/CIMG1380-300x225.jpg" alt="Image of a sandy shower mud deck" width="300" height="225" /></a>
	<p class="wp-caption-text">It&#39;s supposed to be sandy!</p>
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<p>Before you install your liner I need to <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">say</span> type this: your preslope will be sandy, it&#8217;s suppose to be sandy &#8211; it&#8217;s normal, don&#8217;t panic. If you have any high areas in your preslope you may want to scrape or sand it down so it runs in a flat, straight line from the wall to the drain. Notice I <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">said</span> typed &#8220;flat, straight&#8221; and not level &#8211; if it&#8217;s level water won&#8217;t drain.</p>
<p>You can scrape it down with a regular razor scraper or sandpaper &#8211; yes, sandpaper.  If there is a significantly large dip in your pre-slope you can fill it with more <a title="How to make deck mud" href="http://floorelf.com/how-to-make-deck-mud">deck mud</a>. You&#8217;ll need to coat the pre-slope with thinset under the patch to ensure it will stay put. Don&#8217;t get all OCD about this, it doesn&#8217;t have to be perfect. Just make sure there are no major humps or dips and water will run from the wall to the drain without problems.</p>
<p>The next thing to do is take a chisel to your wall studs. You weren&#8217;t expecting that, were you? You want to notch out your studs about 1/8&#8243; up to the height of the top of your liner. This is so you can place your backerboard over the front of your liner on the wall without them jutting out at the bottom. It allows your walls to remain flat all the way down to the shower floor. You will create &#8220;cavities&#8221; in your wall studs for the liner. 1/8&#8243; is a bit larger than the thickness of your liner but it&#8217;s better to be larger than smaller.</p>
<p>When you place your liner in the shower you will be folding the corners so you want to allow enough room on one of the corner studs for three layers of the liner. I usually notch my corner studs out 1/4&#8243;. This allows enough to keep your corner square after the walls are up.</p>
<h3>Placing the liner in your shower</h3>
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	<a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/CIMG1363.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-390" title="Liner placed over pre-slope" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/CIMG1363-300x225.jpg" alt="Image of a shower liner placed on pre-slope" width="300" height="225" /></a>
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<p>Now it&#8217;s time to lay your liner in the shower and get it all lined up. DO NOT cut anything until you have the liner exactly where you want it. Make sure you have the top half of the drain flange removed before you place your liner over it. I&#8217;m not <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">talking</span> typing about the round part that unscrews, I mean the top half of the lower part which bolts onto the lower half. After removing the top half of the flange replace the bolts, this will serve as a guide when you cut the liner.</p>
<p>Center your liner in the shower with the ends running up the walls evenly. Also make certain you have enough of the liner draped over your curb so that you can attach it on the <strong>outside</strong> of the curb. I will usually place it so that the liner drapes up and over the curb all the way to the floor on the outside of the shower.</p>
<h3>Cutting the hole for the drain out of  your shower liner</h3>
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	<a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/CIMG1364.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-392" title="Cutting the liner for the drain" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/CIMG1364-300x225.jpg" alt="Image of the drain cut out of a shower liner" width="300" height="225" /></a>
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<p>After you have it properly positioned you can cut out the hole for your drain. Do this very carefully &#8211; there is no second chance. Take your utility knife and poke a hole through the liner directly in the center of the drain. From there cut in a circular motion toward the outside of the drain in a spiral. Only cut it  out to the outside of the four bolts which attach the top half of the flange to the bottom.</p>
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	<a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/CIMG1365.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-393" title="Silicone around drain" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/CIMG1365-224x300.jpg" alt="Image of silicone under liner around the drain flange" width="224" height="300" /></a>
	<p class="wp-caption-text">Silicone under the liner around the drain</p>
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<p>Remove the bolts from the flange. Now you need to place a bead of silicone <strong>under</strong> the liner around the perimeter of the lower flange. The easiest way to do this is to place the nozzle of the tube of silicone into the hole you just cut for the drain. Place a good size bead around the lower flange <strong>outside</strong> of the bolt holes, don&#8217;t get any in the bolt holes. This prevents any minute amount of moisture from getting under you waterproof liner. Press the liner into the bead of silicone all the way around the drain to ensure full contact.</p>
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	<a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/CIMG1366.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-391" title="Liner prepared for mud deck" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/CIMG1366-300x225.jpg" alt="Image of prepared liner" width="300" height="225" /></a>
	<p class="wp-caption-text">Prepared liner ready for top slope</p>
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<p>Now you can bolt the upper half of the flange to the lower. Do not overtighten the bolts. You want to squeeze the liner between the two but not so much as to crack the flange &#8211; they are only plastic, after all. That&#8217;s it, the drain is finished.</p>
<p>Now take your liner and place it up the walls into the notches you cut out of the studs. You can nail or tape the top of them to hold them in place. Only place one nail into the very top of the liner, never lower. In the corner you will fold the liner over on itself, never cut it. Place the folded part into the larger notches. There should be enough room in the notches so your backerboard will set flush onto the studs.</p>
<p>In my next post I will cover how to cut the liner for your curb and make sure it&#8217;s waterproofed properly.</p>
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