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		<title>Shower Waterproofing Manuals</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve finally gone and done something worthwhile! Well, that&#8217;s a matter of opinion, I guess, namely mine. I have written complete manuals on properly building and waterproofing your shower utilizing the different waterproofing methods. Each manual describes a specific method so you don&#8217;t get bogged down with a bunch of information you don&#8217;t need for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ebook1.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1829 alignright" title="Building a traditionally waterproofed shower for tile" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ebook1-267x300.png" alt="Building a traditionally waterproofed shower for tile" width="267" height="300" /></a>I&#8217;ve finally gone and done something worthwhile! Well, that&#8217;s a matter of opinion, I guess, namely mine. I have written complete manuals on properly building and waterproofing your shower utilizing the different waterproofing methods.</p>
<p>Each manual describes a specific method so you don&#8217;t get bogged down with a bunch of information you don&#8217;t need for your chosen project. Not sure which method you want? Not sure which methods are available? Didn&#8217;t know there were different methods? Start with the free manual here: <a href="http://floorelf.com/waterproof-shower">Shower Waterproofing Manual</a>. That will help you decide which one you want to use based on time, skill and cost.</p>
<p>Once you figure that out you can get the manual that is specific to your particular project. Although these are all mostly completed it&#8217;s a whole process to get them ready for you guys. It&#8217;s difficult to describe but it includes half a watermelon, platypus eyelashes and a full moon &#8211; weird, right? Let&#8217;s just say I&#8217;ve been writing the damn things for close to two years &#8211; it&#8217;s not a short process.</p>
<p>Anyway, I do have two of them all finished up, uploaded and ready for you to devour!</p>
<p>I have the complete shower manual utilizing the traditional waterproofing method for walls and floors. This will walk you through the entire process for complete shower floor and wall building and waterproofing. If you are going to have a tiled shower floor and walls and need to construct the entire thing &#8211; this is the one you need. You can get it here: <a href="http://floorelf.com/how-to-build-a-traditional-shower-for-tile-the-instruction-manual">Complete traditional shower waterproofing method </a>(Price goes up next week!)</p>
<p>And I have the manual using the traditional method for just your shower walls. If you already have a tub or pre-formed base (like acrylic or Swanstone) this is the one you need. You can get it here:<a href="http://floorelf.com/traditional-waterproofing-for-your-tub-or-shower-walls"> Traditional waterproofing for your shower walls</a></p>
<p>You can always just click the yellow highlighted &#8216;Library&#8217; tab at the top to see what&#8217;s currently available. If you have any questions just feel free to ask them in any of the comment sections on the site. I always answer them &#8211; I&#8217;m just super cool like that. <img src='http://floorelf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool2.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> I will add the new manuals to the library section as I finish them up.</p>
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		<title>Shower Tile Basics or Shower Tile 101</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 05:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get a LOT of questions from my readers about basic shower construction. I understand that my readers don&#8217;t consider this stuff basic and there&#8217;s no problem with that. The problem is that I end up answering the same questions over and over and over&#8230; So, to save what very little is left of my [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>I get a LOT of questions from my readers about basic shower construction. I understand that my readers don&#8217;t consider this stuff basic and there&#8217;s no problem with that. The problem is that I end up answering the same questions over and over and over&#8230; So, to save what very little is left of my sanity (which is a number roughly equivalent to absolute zero) I will cover some basic things here so I can simply reply &#8216;read this&#8217;.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve been channeled to this page by one of my smart-ass comments please take no offense to it, I&#8217;m here to help. Please understand that I currently have over 3000 comments (questions) on this site which I&#8217;ve answered &#8211; every one of them. I&#8217;m just trying to make your life (mine) easier.  I will continue to answer every question I&#8217;m asked, I&#8217;m just super cool like that. <img src='http://floorelf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool2.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> If, after reading through this, you still have questions feel free to ask them in the comments below.</p>
<p>You can also download my <a title="Shower Waterproofing Manual" href="http://floorelf.com/waterproof-shower">shower waterproofing manual</a> which should answer a lot of questions and cover basic techniques and methods you may be confused about. Go ahead, it&#8217;s free.  So without further ado (doesn&#8217;t even look like a word, does it?) let&#8217;s get on with it. (For all my readers who feel the need to correct me: I KNOW it&#8217;s actually &#8216;adieu&#8217; &#8211; I was being facetious. Thanks. <img src='http://floorelf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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<h2>Leaks</h2>
<p>First and foremost &#8211; tile is <strong>not</strong> waterproof. Grout is <strong>not</strong> waterproof. Adding sealer to your tile or stone will <strong>not</strong> make it waterproof. Your shower should be completely waterproof before a box of tile is even opened! No matter which waterproofing method you choose, proper substrate preparation is the only thing that will make your shower waterproof.</p>
<p>If you have a leak in your shower &#8211; stop using it immediately if at all possible. If that is not possible (it&#8217;s your only shower) have the shower repaired &#8211; immediately. If you see water leaking it is likely not nearly as much water as you don&#8217;t see leaking into your wall cavity and structural framing. By the time you &#8216;see&#8217; most leaks the framing is normally already considerably compromised.</p>
<p>No, there is nothing you can put over your tile to make your shower waterproof if you have a leak &#8211; not even sealer. A tile or stone sealer is made to make your tile and grout stain-resistant, not waterproof. It does this by sealing the pores of the tile and stone to slow (NOT STOP) the absorption of liquid and prevent staining. It only means you have more time to clean up the spilled<span style="color: #000000;"> <del>red wine</del></span> cherry kool-aid before it stains anything.</p>
<h2>Substrates</h2>
<p>Drywall is not an acceptable substrate for your shower unless you are using Schluter Kerdi waterproofing membrane &#8211; that&#8217;s it. Cement backerboards are the standard and there are also other products such as waterproofed, gypsum based boards like Denshield and waterproofed, foam-based sheets like wedi or kerdi board.</p>
<p>Cement backerboards are not waterproof. They are water stable, which simply means that they will not swell or disintegrate when exposed to moisture or water &#8211; they won&#8217;t change size. But they are just like your driveway, they will soak in water, hold water, and dry out, just like your driveway when it rains. If using backerboards there needs to be a waterproof membrane utilized as well.</p>
<h2>Membranes</h2>
<p>If you are using a topical waterproofing membrane such as a liquid like redgard or hydroban, or a sheet like kerdi, <strong>do not</strong> use a moisture or vapor barrier behind your substrate. If you have a vapor or moisture barrier behind your substrate <strong>do not</strong> use a topical membrane on the front of it. This combination creates two waterproof barriers with your substrate sandwiched between them. any vapor or moisture trapped between them has absolutely no way to dissipate. This is lovingly referred to as a &#8216;mold sandwich&#8217;. It is not tasty. Use either a moisture or vapor barrier behind your substrate <strong>or</strong> a topical membrane on the face of it. One or the other &#8211; never both.</p>
<p>With that said, if you want to use a topical liquid such as redgard on the seams of your backerboard, after you tape and mud them, you can do so without problems. If your moisture barrier and backerboards are properly installed there is no real reason to do so &#8211; but if it will help you sleep at night go ahead and do it.</p>
<p>If you are using a topical membrane and you have an exterior wall with either plastic facing or kraft paper facing you need to cut slits into that facing before installing your substrate. If you do not it will create the aforementioned mold sandwich. Give moisture or vapor somewhere to dissipate.</p>
<h2>Shower-tub transitions</h2>
<p>There should be a gap between your tub or acrylic shower base and the bottom of your backerboard. If you are using a traditional barrier waterproofing method you do not need to do anything with this gap. Do not fill it with silicone! This will trap moisture running down your barrier and it will have nowhere to go. If you are using a topical method you can fill it with silicone if you want. If you are using liquid you should fill it with silicone. This creates a waterproof plane between your membrane and the tub or base so water or moisture ends up in the drain rather than in your wall.</p>
<p>When you tile you can tile right over that gap. You should not fill this gap with thinset behind the tile &#8211; it will crack due to movement. Your wall and tub or base will expand and contract at different rates &#8211; it will crack any cement-based product you place between the two. This includes thinset as well as grout. You do not need a solid backing behind your tile over this gap &#8211; it should be less than 1&#8243; wide. You shouldn&#8217;t normally be walking on that tile in that particular spot. Yes, it can just hang there.</p>
<h2>Grout</h2>
<p>If your grout is cracking it is due to movement 99.9% of the time. Type &#8216;cracking&#8217; into the search box up there and you&#8217;ll find in-depth explanations for your viewing pleasure.</p>
<p>If you have white, or lighter than normal grout when you&#8217;re finished grouting it may be efflorescence. This is mainly due to minerals in the water being left on the surface of the grout when the water evaporates. It is usually indicative of either incorrectly mixed grout or using too much water while cleaning the grout &#8211; not wringing out your sponge enough. This is normally only on the surface of your grout. Scratch the very top layer of your grout in an inconspicuous spot with your fingernail. If you have the correct, or at least a darker, color beneath the surface that is the likely cause. The easiest, quickest fix, provided it is only the very top layer, is to get some drywall sanding sponges and go over the grout lines very lightly. Just like burnt toast &#8211; scrape it to the color you like.</p>
<h2>Corners and changes-of-plane</h2>
<p>Caulk. <img src='http://floorelf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<h2>Disagree with me?</h2>
<p>Like any other website I get my fair share of people who disagree with my methods or techniques &#8211; it really doesn&#8217;t bother me. I am more than willing to have a civilized, intelligent conversation about anything tile related. If, however, you simply attack me personally and act like an uncivilized ass I will call you on it &#8211; and not in a nice way. I write this blog in a particular manner, it does not mean that I take my profession lightly &#8211; I most certainly do not. If I wanted to be a pompous bastard I currently have 19 letters I can place after my name &#8211; all tile related. But I&#8217;m not a pompous bastard &#8211; you can just call me Roger. <img src='http://floorelf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If you are a contractor with a customer who has come here for information and I&#8217;ve told them you&#8217;re wrong &#8211; realize that the extent of my knowledge of that particular project is limited to what I&#8217;m told by your customer. It does not mean that I am &#8216;out to get you&#8217; or anything of the sort. I normally limit my replies to those situations by stating the current TCNA and/or ANSI standards pertaining to what I&#8217;m told. If you disagree &#8211; please let me know in a civil manner, If you&#8217;re correct I&#8217;ll back it up &#8211; I do this everyday, too! If you&#8217;re an asshole about it<a href="http://floorelf.com/tile-faqs/comment-page-3#comment-2775"> expect the same in return</a> &#8211; and please have a thesaurus handy to interpret my reply &#8211; I&#8217;m a very well educated asshole.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s it for now. I will likely add to this post on a regular basis. If there is anything I&#8217;ve caused confusion with please, for the love of God, let me know. I can change this page since, you know, it&#8217;s my website and all. If you have any questions at all please ask them below &#8211; I&#8217;ll answer, really. <img src='http://floorelf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Drywall to Backerboard transition in tiled showers</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 02:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[When you tear out and rebuild your shower walls you are left with a transition between the old, existing drywall and the new stuff &#8211; cement backerboard or drywall (if you&#8217;re using kerdi). Whaddya do with it? And how do you do it? And why am I the one asking questions &#8211; that seems backwards. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/1.gif"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1533" title="drywall, backerboard transition" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/1-250x300.gif" alt="drywall, backerboard transition" width="250" height="300" /></a>When you tear out and rebuild your shower walls you are left with a transition between the old, existing drywall and the new stuff &#8211; cement backerboard or drywall (if you&#8217;re using kerdi). Whaddya do with it? And how do you do it? And why am I the one asking questions &#8211; that seems backwards.</p>
<p>If at all possible, when you remove the old stuff you want to cut a straight line down the drywall to make for a clean transition. If it isn&#8217;t straight or was simply torn out without any regards to actually rebuilding it, then find a spot where you can cut a straight line from top to bottom. You want to have a level line for your transition.</p>
<p>So before you begin you want something similar to that horrible graphic right there I just created with a bottle of scotch and my toes. The left side is looking into the wall cavity with one stud, that big brown looking thing? Yeah, it&#8217;s supposed to be a wall stud. You are not allowed to give me crap about my lack of Photoshop skills!</p>
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<p><a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/2.gif"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1534" title="drywall, backerboard transition" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/2-250x300.gif" alt="drywall, backerboard transition" width="250" height="300" /></a>What we need is a way to shore out the new substrate (backerboard) to be solid and on an even plane with the existing stuff. We have a very, very specialized item for this. Listen carefully, because it&#8217;s a deeply guarded secret. Ready?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a  2&#215;4.</p>
<p>Take a 2&#215;4 and cut it to the length of either the entire wall or simply from about six inches from the top to six inches below the bottom. The latter is often the only way to do it &#8211; you still need to be able to get it into the wall cavity over the tub and around the other studs. It needs to fit in there.</p>
<p>Just take the 2&#215;4 and get it into the wall. Turn it so that the width (3 1/2&#8243;) is split between the open space and the existing drywall. There will be 1 3/4&#8243; behind the existing drywall and 1 3/4&#8243; to screw the backerboard to. Once it&#8217;s in there it will look nothing like that second horrible graphic &#8211; but it will give you the gist of it.</p>
<p>You can see 1/2 of the 2&#215;4 and the dotted line on the drywall outlines the other half. Just screw right through the drywall into the stud to hold it in place.</p>
<p><a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/3.gif"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1535" title="drywall, backerboard transition" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/3-250x300.gif" alt="drywall, backerboard transition" width="250" height="300" /></a>Now you can take your cement backerboard (or whatever your substrate is going to be) and place it up to the edge &#8211; leave about a 1/16&#8243; gap between the backerboard and drywall. Then just screw through the edge of your substrate into the other half of the 2&#215;4.</p>
<p>Make sure you measure whatever product you&#8217;re using for your substrate. Your existing drywall is likely 1/2&#8243; thick &#8211; your substrate likely is not &#8211; it is probably a touch smaller. To get them even and on the same plane you can use regular drywall shims behind it.</p>
<p><em><strong>1/2&#8243; backerboard is rarely 1/2&#8243;!</strong></em> It is often smaller &#8211; make sure you measure it and shim it out as necessary. Once you get it installed you still need to tape and mud the seam. Just use the same alkali-resistant mesh tape and thinset that you&#8217;re using for the rest of the backerboard seams. Don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m talking about? Read <a href="http://floorelf.com/installing-cement-backerboard-for-tile-in-a-shower">Installing backerboards on walls for shower tile</a>.</p>
<p>Once that&#8217;s all finished you can install the tile as normal, just like the photo below. The transition is directly under the bullnose tile on the edges of the shower. And yes &#8211; you can paint right over the thinset if you need to.</p>
<p><a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/finish.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1536" title="Tile contractor in Fort Colliins - Tiled shower with backerboard transition" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/finish-543x725.jpg" alt="Tiled shower with backerboard transition" width="543" height="725" /></a></p>
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