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		<title>Shower Waterproofing Manuals</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve finally gone and done something worthwhile! Well, that&#8217;s a matter of opinion, I guess, namely mine. I have written complete manuals on properly building and waterproofing your shower utilizing the different waterproofing methods. Each manual describes a specific method so you don&#8217;t get bogged down with a bunch of information you don&#8217;t need for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ebook1.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1829 alignright" title="Building a traditionally waterproofed shower for tile" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ebook1-267x300.png" alt="Building a traditionally waterproofed shower for tile" width="267" height="300" /></a>I&#8217;ve finally gone and done something worthwhile! Well, that&#8217;s a matter of opinion, I guess, namely mine. I have written complete manuals on properly building and waterproofing your shower utilizing the different waterproofing methods.</p>
<p>Each manual describes a specific method so you don&#8217;t get bogged down with a bunch of information you don&#8217;t need for your chosen project. Not sure which method you want? Not sure which methods are available? Didn&#8217;t know there were different methods? Start with the free manual here: <a href="http://floorelf.com/waterproof-shower">Shower Waterproofing Manual</a>. That will help you decide which one you want to use based on time, skill and cost.</p>
<p>Once you figure that out you can get the manual that is specific to your particular project. Although these are all mostly completed it&#8217;s a whole process to get them ready for you guys. It&#8217;s difficult to describe but it includes half a watermelon, platypus eyelashes and a full moon &#8211; weird, right? Let&#8217;s just say I&#8217;ve been writing the damn things for close to two years &#8211; it&#8217;s not a short process.</p>
<p>Anyway, I do have two of them all finished up, uploaded and ready for you to devour!</p>
<p>I have the complete shower manual utilizing the traditional waterproofing method for walls and floors. This will walk you through the entire process for complete shower floor and wall building and waterproofing. If you are going to have a tiled shower floor and walls and need to construct the entire thing &#8211; this is the one you need. You can get it here: <a href="http://floorelf.com/how-to-build-a-traditional-shower-for-tile-the-instruction-manual">Complete traditional shower waterproofing method </a>(Price goes up next week!)</p>
<p>And I have the manual using the traditional method for just your shower walls. If you already have a tub or pre-formed base (like acrylic or Swanstone) this is the one you need. You can get it here:<a href="http://floorelf.com/traditional-waterproofing-for-your-tub-or-shower-walls"> Traditional waterproofing for your shower walls</a></p>
<p>You can always just click the yellow highlighted &#8216;Library&#8217; tab at the top to see what&#8217;s currently available. If you have any questions just feel free to ask them in any of the comment sections on the site. I always answer them &#8211; I&#8217;m just super cool like that. <img src='http://floorelf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool2.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> I will add the new manuals to the library section as I finish them up.</p>
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		<title>Create a Shower Floor for Tile &#8211; Video Post</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 08:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since I&#8217;m just a tile guy I&#8221;m not usually up on all the new technological crap that has nothing to do with tile, like online video or the &#8216;SlapChop&#8217;.  I&#8217;ve decided that since I spend most of my days in other people&#8217;s showers that I should get out more and learn something else. So naturally, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Since I&#8217;m just a tile guy I&#8221;m not usually up on all the new technological crap that has nothing to do with tile, like online video or the &#8216;SlapChop&#8217;.  I&#8217;ve decided that since I spend most of my days in other people&#8217;s showers that I should get out more and learn something else.</p>
<p>So naturally, since I own kitchen knives, I decided to make a video about a tile subject. So here is my first video, sans sound because in audio I sound like a drunk leprechaun, for my readers. Umm &#8211; that&#8217;s you.</p>
<p>And since I actually have a day job and bills to pay all you get is a time-lapse photography of the creation of a mud deck for a tiled shower floor. But I&#8217;m gonna call it a tile video &#8217;cause Google loves that shit. <img src='http://floorelf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_whistle.gif' alt=':whistle:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p>If you&#8217;re old-school like me you can actually read the steps involved in this process starting with <a title="How to create a shower floor" href="http://floorelf.com/how-to-create-a-shower-floor-part-1">&#8216;How to Create a Shower Floor &#8211; Part 1&#8242;</a> wherein I will dazzle you with bad humor, lousy metaphors, and horrible photography. Oh, and a load of information on how to <strong>properly</strong> fabricate a shower floor for tile. But I know you just read my blog for the bad humor.</p>
<p>If you think my photography skills suck &#8211; wait&#8217;ll you see this. I&#8217;m absolutely certain the damn thing has already started playing even though I told it not to. Computers don&#8217;t listen to me. You can use the controls beneath the movie to start, stop, or FF, REW, all the old-school VCR stuff. <img src='http://floorelf.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Feel free to leave a comment below. You know, something like &#8216;Hey dumbass, you shoulda bought a SlapChop instead!&#8217; If you want more videos just let me know. Maybe one day, with enough practice, I&#8217;ll be able to make one that doesn&#8217;t look like a three-year-old did it. Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>How to Create a Shower Floor &#8211; Part 3</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well now we&#8217;re ready to waterproof your curb. If you have reached this post before reading the previous two, start with How to build a shower floor from the beginning.  Now that you&#8217;re ready to get the curb cut and waterproofed lets get it done. And yes, I know my pictures suck &#8211; I&#8217;m a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Well now we&#8217;re ready to waterproof your curb. If you have reached this post before reading the previous two, start with <a title="How to create a shower floor - part 1" href="http://floorelf.com/how-to-create-a-shower-floor-part-1">How to build a shower floor</a> from the beginning.  Now that you&#8217;re ready to get the curb cut and waterproofed lets get it done.</p>
<p>And yes, I know my pictures suck &#8211; I&#8217;m a tile guy for cryin&#8217; out loud, not a professional photographer. Until you try to balance a liner, a razor knife, a margin trowel, and a camera while trying to take a photo don&#8217;t give me any crap about it. Oh, and you can click on any of the images for a full-size version &#8211; partake in the full glory of how much my photography sucks.</p>
<p>We need to start by finding the inside lower corner of your shower pan and making certain that the liner is pressed firmly against it. Then follow it up the corner of the curb and wall to the top inside corner of your curb. This is the spot at which you will start the cut in your liner.</p>
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	<a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/CIMG1776A.jpg" target="_blank"><img class="size-medium wp-image-290 " title="Cutting a liner for a curb when shower walls will be backerboard" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/CIMG1776A-300x225.jpg" alt="Cutting a liner for a curb when shower walls will be backerboard" width="300" height="225" /></a>
	<p class="wp-caption-text">Cutting a liner for a curb when shower walls will be backerboard Click to Enlarge</p>
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<p>Deciding in which direction to make your cut depends upon how you plan to waterproof the walls. If you are simply using a cementious backerboard on your walls with a moisture barrier behind it you want to cut from that point straight up. Or, more precisely, cut your liner so that when it is placed flat against the studs the cut will go straight up from that point.</p>
<p>If, however, you are using a topical waterproofing membrane (that&#8217;s just fancy-ass, pinkie in the air talk for waterproofing that goes right behind the tile) I cut it a bit differently. Start from the inside top corner of the curb and cut straight out to the outside corner of the curb.</p>
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	<a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/CIMG1776.jpg" target="_blank"><img class="size-medium wp-image-289 " title="Cutting a liner for curb when using a topical membrane" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/CIMG1776-300x225.jpg" alt="Cutting a liner for curb when using a topical membrane" width="300" height="225" /></a>
	<p class="wp-caption-text">Cutting a liner for curb when using a topical membrane</p>
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<p>The reason for this is simple &#8211; to me anyway &#8211; if you are using a cement backerboard or any type of substrate where moisture will get behind your wall, you want to have as much of a liner at the ends of the curbs as possible to run up the wall. With a topical membrane such as Schluter Kerdi or a liquid such as Redgard you don&#8217;t have to worry about that. By the time any water behind the tile gets to the bottom of your waterproofing it should be well below your curb &#8211; provided you&#8217;ve installed it correctly.</p>
<p>On the inside corner of the curb you should install a &#8216;dam corner&#8217;. These are pre-formed outside corners which are glued to the liner to cover the spot where you&#8217;ve made the cut. I do not have a picture of these because I don&#8217;t use them, I&#8217;m a hypocritical bastard like that. But you should. (Use the dam corners, not be a hypocritical bastard.)</p>
<p>When you do glue your dam corners in you need to make sure you use the correct type of glue. Just like drain pipes &#8211; pvc glue for pvc liners and cpe glue for cpe liners. The glue WILL NOT work the other way around. Really, don&#8217;t try it, it&#8217;s an expensive lesson. Take my word for it.</p>
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	<a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/CIMG1787.jpg" target="_blank"><img class="size-medium wp-image-301 " title="The liner gets wrapped over the top of the curb" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/CIMG1787-300x225.jpg" alt="The liner gets wrapped over the top of the curb" width="300" height="225" /></a>
	<p class="wp-caption-text">The liner gets wrapped over the top of the curb</p>
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<p>Now that you have the ends of the curb cut we need to move on to preparing the curb for tile. Take your 2 x 4 that you used to level your pre-slope perimeter (you did that, right?) and place it in the inside corner of your liner against the curb and the floor. This ensures that the liner lies completely against the floor and the curb without air pockets or empty space beneath it. Then nail the OUTSIDE of your liner to the curb &#8211; only the outside, never the inside.</p>
<p>Please note: these photos were taken after my final mud bed was in place. I installed the curb last on this particular project. You can do it before or after your final mud bed is fabricated. Dealer&#8217;s choice.</p>
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	<a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/CIMG1788.jpg" target="_blank"><img class="size-medium wp-image-302 " title="Nailed only on the outside of the curb" src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/CIMG1788-300x225.jpg" alt="Nailed only on the outside of the curb" width="300" height="225" /></a>
	<p class="wp-caption-text">Nailed only on the outside of the curb</p>
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<p>To hold the liner in place over the top of the curb you need some metal lathe. Provided your curb consists of three 2 x 4&#8242;s your lathe needs to be cut into strips sized to fit over your curb from the floor on the outside to the inside bottom corner of your shower. Bend the lathe into a &#8216;U&#8217; shape (length-wise) and place it over the top of your liner over your curb. Something else I do not have a photo of. Just because I&#8217;ve never taken one, not because I do it differently.</p>
<p>You only need to nail the liner on the outside if you have a wooden curb. If your shower is on a concrete subfloor you used bricks for your curb &#8211; right? Pay attention, if you fail the quiz later you owe me a <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">beer</span> Pepsi.</p>
<p>I have one more photo for this post and this is it. Isn&#8217;t that spectacular? It&#8217;s just to show you how I do the ends of the curb when using Kerdi on the walls. &#8220;But why don&#8217;t you use Kerdi on the floor too?&#8221; Glad you asked. It&#8217;s a very technical answer and requires you pay attention to every part of it or you may get lost in all the details. Ready? Because some people don&#8217;t wanna pay over 100 dollars for a shower drain. Whaddya gonna do?</p>
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	<a href="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/CIMG1777.jpg" target="_blank"><img class="size-medium wp-image-291 " title="Shower pan liner on the end of the curb." src="http://floorelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/CIMG1777-224x300.jpg" alt="Shower pan liner on the end of the curb." width="224" height="300" /></a>
	<p class="wp-caption-text">Shower pan liner on the end of the curb.</p>
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<p>Couple of things I&#8217;d like to point out about that last photo before you go bustin&#8217; my chops too hard. First, the excess liner is not yet cut out. I cut it straight down the edge of the drywall there and everything gets tucked straight back into the wall. Secondly, yes, I put a nail through the liner. A foot above the curb. You can light it on fire that high if you choose to do so. (I wouldn&#8217;t recommend that, though. And no, I don&#8217;t want to <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">talk</span> type about it.)</p>
<p>Now we have to water test your pan to make sure it does not leak. Note: most cities and counties REQUIRE this to be done &#8211; don&#8217;t skip it. The test simply ensures that all your hard work is indeed correct and your pan does not leak. That&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>You need to plug the drain (or you&#8217;ll be there all night trying to get enough water into it) which you can do with either a $75 specialty plug, or a water balloon. You pick. You need to make absolutely sure that (and I&#8217;m assuming you chose the balloon option) the balloon is pushed far enough down into the drain to block the weep holes as well.  If they are not it will let you know that your weep holes work correctly. Unfortunately it does nothing to reassure you about the liner. If you look carefully into the drain you should be able to see the holes for the weep holes, get below them with your plug.</p>
<p>Then just fill &#8216;er up. All the way up to just a hair below the top of the curb. (take the 2 x 4 out of it first if it&#8217;s still in there) and leave it set for 24 hours. After the 24 hours have elapsed and you are reasonably recovered from your recently induced hangover, check to make sure the level of the water has not gone down. If it hasn&#8217;t you are ready to go.</p>
<p>Now if we could just get that elf guy off his ass to write the next post you will learn how to fabricate your final mud bed and tile that sucker. Hang tight, we&#8217;ll go get him. Check back real soon, y&#8217;all. And as always, if you have any questions at all please feel free to use the comment section below.</p>
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