Installing cement backerboard is one of the more popular choices for a shower wall substrate. Cement backerboards include Hardiebacker, Durock, Fiberboard, wonderboard, and similar products. These materials bridge the gap between expense and effectiveness. When installed properly they will give you many, many years of durable shower construction.

The advantage of cement backerboards is that, while not waterproof, they are dimensionally stable when wet. That just means that when they get wet they do not swell up. Any swelling behind tile is a bad thing. It will lead to cracking grout, tile, and all sorts of bad things.

Waterproofing your studs

To install the backerboard you must have a vapor barrier between it and the wooden wall studs. While the backerboard will not swell when wet, your wall studs will. You must prevent any moisture from reaching them. The preferred material for a vapor barrier would be 4 mil or thicker plastic sheeting which can be purchased at places like Home Depot or any hardware store. You can also use tar paper or roofing paper, the thick black paper used under shingles. Although I personally do not use that, it is an acceptable barrier.

Starting with your bare wall studs on your shower walls simply take your plastic sheeting and staple it to the wall studs completely covering the entire surface which will be inside your shower. You can also use silicone instead of staples to adhere it to the studs. Make sure you overlap all the edges. Just hang it all up there like you’re hanging wallpaper. You want it covering the framing enough that if you were to spray the walls with a hose the wall studs and framing would not get wet.

At the bottom of the barrier you will want it to overlap on the shower side of the tub or shower base. That is you want it so that any water that runs down the plastic sheeting will roll off into the tub rather than behind the tub. Overlap the lip of the tub or base and silicone the back of the barrier to keep it in place.

Installing the backerboard

Now for the backerboard. Lay out your backerboards for the best fit on the walls. They can go up vertically or horizontally, it makes no difference. With a regular tub surround with a five foot back wall it is usually easier to use two horizontal sheets along the back wall and one vertical on each of the sides. (This assumes 3 X 5 foot backerboard sheets.)

All backerboards are cut by scoring and snapping. You do not need a saw for them. While there are special scoring tools specifically for this you can easily do it with a regular utility knife. While all these backerboards are essentially identical in their effectiveness as a substrate, some are more easily cut. Durock, in my opinion, is the most difficult. I personally prefer hardiebacker or fiberboard. Make sure you check the website for whichever you choose for specific instructions.

To fasten the backerboard to the framing you have a couple of choices. A lot of professionals simply use galvanized roofing nails. While this is perfectly acceptable, I prefer screws over nails when possible. Hardi makes specific screws for their backerboard which can also be used for all backerboards. These are manufactured with ribs beneath the head of the screw which help it cut into the backerboard and countersink so the head is flush. If your local big box or hardware store carries them, they will be in the tile section. You can also use just about any type of corrosion resistant screw. Anything that can be used for an outside deck can be used for your backerboard.

Fasten your backerboard to your shower framing with a screw or nail about every 8 – 12 inches. I would also suggest using a straight-edge along your wall while doing this so that you can shim out any areas where the wall studs may not be straight. The flatter your backerboard is installed, the easier your tile installation will be. Take your time, the beer isn’t going anywhere.

Allow for movement!

You do not want to butt the backerboards against one another. You need to leave a small gap at every change of plane. That includes corners, walls to ceilings, and walls to tubs or floors. There needs to be room for expansion and contraction.

Wood moves – always. It’s just a fact of life. The secret to dealing with the movement is to ensure the movement will not interfere with the tile. Leaving this small gap will allow for movement of the sheets enough so that they do not force against one another and push out. While the backerboard itself is very stable, you are still attaching it to wood.

If you have a tub or shower base you will also want to stop the backerboard about 1/8 inch above the lip. You do not want to run the board over the edge of the lip because it will cause the backerboard to bow out and your wall will not be flat. It will also allow the tub or shower base to move a bit – it’s attached to the wooden studs as well. Tubs also move when they are filled with water. You need to allow for that movement.

I usually leave about a 1/16 to 1/8 inch gap between the sheets of backerboard. This allows for thinset to lock into the entire thickness of your backerboard when you tape and mud your seams. We’ll cover that part in a minute.

Don’t allow for movement! (Confused yet?)

If your shower framing is such that you cannot place the edges of all the backerboards directly over a stud you will need to add more studs. You may do this with regular 2 X 4’s screwed to the present framing vertically or horizontally as needed. You must make sure that every edge of the backerboard is supported so if the wall is pushed or leaned on in that spot it does not move. You want solid walls.

Final step

The last thing you must do is mud and tape your seams. Similar to regular drywall all of your in-plane  joints must be taped. To do this you just use regular thinset and alkali-resistant fiberglass mesh tape. You can find the tape in the tile section – it’s similar to regular fiberglass drywall tape, but it specifically manufactured to be alkali resistant. Make sure it is alkali-resistant because your thinset contains alkali which will gradually erode regular tape thus defeating the purpose.

There are two ways to address the corners. The industry standard, and the way you should do it, is to tape and mud the corner joint as well. Most backerboard manufacturers recommend this, as do the handbook standards. I only do that about half the time – I’m a rebel like that. 8)

*The other half of the time I only tape and mud the in-plane joints – the gaps in the same wall, not the corners. With the corners I fill the gap with silicone. I do this to allow the different planes of the walls to move in different directions, which they will do whether you like it or not. Allowing this movement in the substrate compensates for excess stress in certain applications. This is something that I do, it is not industry standard and you will likely not find anyone else recommending doing this. So when you get the conflicting information about this – that’s why. :D

Fill all the gaps in your seams with thinset (you left gaps there, right?) then embed the tape into it. Then go over the tape with more thinset to smooth everything out. This will lock everything together and give you a continuous, solid substrate for your tile. That’s what you’re looking for.

When properly installed cement backerboards will create a rock solid, extremely durable substrate for your tile installation. Taking time and care to solidify what is behind or beneath your tile is the only way to guarantee a lasting installation. Your tile is only as durable as what it is installed upon.

As always if you have any questions at all please feel free to leave a comment.

Hardiebacker Website

Durock Website

Need More Information?

I now have manuals describing the complete process for you from bare wall studs all the way up to a completely waterproof shower substrate for your tile. If you are tiling your walls and floor you can find that one here: Waterproof shower floor and wall manual.

If you have a tub or pre-formed shower base and are only tiling the walls you can find that one here: Waterproof shower walls manual.

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  • Dennis

    Roger, if the folds in the shower pan liner are causing a bulge at the lower corner of the CBU, can that be repaired be fore tiling? I was thinking along the lines of cutting out the bulge from the CBU and just filling the space with thinset. Or maybe grinding the surface of the bulge down till it is plumb. What do you say?

    • Roger

      Hi Dennis,

      There are several ways of dealing with that. It is easier to either notch a small space out of the surface of the studs to tuck the liner into or shim the studs out above the liner so it sits flush.

  • Scott C.

    Roger,
    Is it acceptable to have my shower backer board (hardie) raised enough, approx 1/2″, to put the floor tile under the bottom edge. When i lay out my floor tile its a tight fit with the backer baord 1/4″ off floor and thought if i could put it under the backer board it would save me cutting alot of edge slivers off. I believe it would make it alot easier to center.
    Thanks
    Scott C.

    • Roger

      Hi Scott,

      Yes you can.

  • Mike

    What tool(s) do you use to install the thin set over the mesh tape at the joints in the same plane?

    • Roger

      Hi Mike,

      I use drywall knives, but you can use the flat side of the trowel also.

  • Scott

    I have a question about criteria you might use when choosing the standard seam and mud in vertical shower seams in the corners versus a silicone bead. My dog would very much like not to burst into flames any time soon.

    Factors of possible importance in this situation;

    1. I’m a complete first timer with cement board. House was built with drywall backing for an enclosed shower only.

    Had to gut everything including shower pan but leave tile and shower pan construction to a pro.

    2. I live in Oklahoma which is notorious for foundation movement issues secondary to hard clay under foundations combined with high temperature and moisture changes in the soil. We also started having a rash of earthquake activity in the last 5 years.

    With the goal of a stable yet flexible substrate in these conditions would silicone be a better option?

    • Roger

      Hi Scot,

      It would be best to fill the gap with silicone (to both allow ‘swelling’ expansion and to keep thinset out of the corner) then tape and mud over that once it’s cured.

  • dennis

    Is there a special type of silicone to use in the corners or just normal silicone.

    • Roger

      Hi Dennis,

      Regular silicone.

  • Bruce Zeigler

    Roger,
    I installed the cement board over the shower stall and on the ceiling. Since this was my 1st time, I put it on smooth side out. (Thinking the back had the writing on it) I did not realize that I should have put rough side out. I will be using thinset and 12X12 tiles, can I just score the smooth side with a wallpaper roller? I do not want to take everything down. I did read on on durock site that you can use thinset or mastic on either side, smooth or rough,but their guideline are the rough side. Please help me.

    • Roger

      Hi Bruce,

      You can install on the smooth side, makes no difference.

  • Jonathan

    I’ve read conflicted accounts of how smooth one has to get the taped joints. Do you sand the dry thinset after taping?

    • Roger

      Hi Jonathan,

      Not unless you’re installing 1/16″ mosaics over it. Anything more than a 1/8″ trowel will compensate for any build-up.

  • John

    I am remodeling my bathroom . I have removed all tile from the concrete board on the walls. Can I apply new concrete board on top of the old concrete board as long as I screw through to the studs. The change of tile is cosmetic only their was know leak issue.

    • Roger

      Hi John,

      If you’re going to do that I would just go right over the old backer with new tile. No reason to add more backer which will cause uneven depths at the edge of the shower with the bathroom walls.

  • Chey

    Hi, this is for new construction. Our new walk in shower has one of the walls to the exterior. It has 2 x 6 studs with Roxul Insulation. What would be better 4 mil. poly with green board then CMB over that? Or just 4 mil. poly with CMB, with no green drywall? I am assuming that the vapor barrier would be the best option since it is and exterior house wall and not Red Guard? Also other side of wall in walk in shower backs up to another bathroom shower with standard smaller cast iron tub with alcove which will have a tiled wall also? So two walls will be backing up to each other with tile? So which side gets the 4 mil vapor barrier behind the CMB? The Master walk in shower or shower directly behind it? If I do both sides would I lock moisture in? Also we did a recessed area in the slab for the shower because of custom size? What is the best way to prepare the area to make our own custom pan? I have heard of liners and Hot Mop? Can you please tell me your experience? Thank you for your knowledge and helping others.

    • Roger

      Hi Chey,

      Don’t get green drywall anywhere near your shower. Both sides get a barrier directly behind the backer, there is open space between them – you aren’t trapping anything. You don’t want a barrier directly against both sides of a substrate. If your slab is already recessed it’s ready for your pan, no further prep needed, unless I’m missing something in your question. If you download my free shower waterproofing manual (on the right side of the page) it will give you the different waterproofing options and the pros and cons of each – hot mop is NOT included – there’s a reason for that. :D

  • Jeff

    Hi Roger,

    Thanks for the site.

    I read somewhere that if you’re using kerdi then you don’t have to tape and mortar the seams on your backerboard. I decided to do it anyway just to be safe.

    I’ve gotten the Durock up on my studs and used the mesh tape until it ran out. I have a few seams to go, including the corners.

    One thing I noticed when scraping the thinset over the seams, there is one spot where there’s a dip. I checked it this morning with a 6 foot level and it appears to be a shallow (1/8 maybe more but certainly not 1/4) one.

    1) Can I level the area out with thinset or do I need to rip down the durock and start over? Would I level by scraping a flat plane across the area or by fiddling with the tile later?

    2) At risk to my dog catching fire, do I need to finish thinsetting and taping the seams?

    • Roger

      Hi Jeff,

      1. You can level it with thinset.
      2. No, not if you’re using kerdi.

  • Brown

    Hey Roger,

    DO I have to use thinset before and after I apply the tape to the backer board for bathtub walls.

    • Roger

      Hi Brown,

      I’m not quite understanding your question. You comb thinset over your seams, then lay the tape into it, then smooth it out with more thinset if necessary (it normally isn’t, there’s usually enough thinset to flatten and feather it out).

  • Mary

    Hi Roger –
    We are redoing our main bathroom. The tub and shower area is on an outside wall with a window in the center. We are tiling the entire enclosure on hardi backer. Should we also put green board against the studs first? Or is hardi backer alone (with insulation behind it) ok? (We live in Michigan). When we demoed we found a layer of green board behind the hardi backer which is why we are asking. Is this normal for a shower on an outside wall?
    Thanks for your help!

    • Roger

      Hi Mary,

      No, it’s not normal at all. I have no idea why that would have been done. Just the backer. However, in your shower you need either a moisture barrier behind your backer over the studs or a membrane over the front of the backer. Cement board IS NOT waterproof – you need to have a waterproof barrier in there somewhere.

      • Mary

        Hi Roger –
        Thanks for your reply. To confirm – we should either 1) put a 4ml vapor between the studs and hardi backer or 2) put up the hardibacker and then paint it with redgard -correct?

        • Roger

          Absolutely correct.

  • judy mcgill

    After my backer board was installed, the installer found that the shower stall is not square. He started the tile installation on the back wall which is the most prominent visual point. He started laying the 6 inch tile from the left corner and moved to the right. This left an odd width for the last tile on the right corner to be only 1/2 inch wide or so. It looks really bad. What was the proper way to install the tile- start from the center and move outward left and right? Can you suggest a way to make the corner look better?

    • greg

      Your installer should have started with a 3 1/4″ on the left, and ended with the same width on the right. Now, to cover the problem, you could buy a trim tile for both ends and attach with caulk. It will still look funky, but hopefully, not as bad.

    • Roger

      Hi Judy,

      Yes, it should have been started from the center with either a grout line down the center or the halfway mark of a full tile down the center. Unfortunately, short of removing it and beginning again, there really is no way to make it look better.

  • Chris

    1. How do you handle where cement board meets drywall on an outside corner? I plan to tile flush to edge on cement board side but paint drywall. Do i use a vinyl corner bead or l bead or j channel?

    2. I taped and used thinset on the horizontal seams for the cement board all at once, but i didnt get to finish and do the corners. Will it create too much of a hump to do the corners now with thinset? Should i caulk the inside corners instead?

    Thanks!

    • Roger

      Hi Chris,

      1. I use a vinyl corner bead.

      2. It shouldn’t create too much of a hump. You should caulk the gap in the corners, let it cure, then tape and mud over it.

  • Mike

    Roger,

    I’m a little confused about something you say here as it conflicts with the tile prep video that Lowe’s has on their website. Their video follows what you say pretty closely about using plastic sheeting over the studs, followed by backer board, and taping and mudding the seams, which I have done so far. I used 4 mil plastic and 1/2″ Hardiebacker. But their next step is to also use a membrane material (like Red Gard or some other product) over the backer board before you start to tile. You mention in an answer to another post above that you need one or the other, but not both. (I think I also saw a similar answer from you on another post or article you wrote). So, my question is, is Lowe’s recommendation wrong; i.e., will it hurt anything to do both? Or should I just start tiling at this point and skip the Red Gard? Thanks — your website has been a big help!

    • Roger

      Hi Mike,

      Yes, if you have the barrier just start tiling. If you have both barriers you have two waterproof layers with backer trapped between. Even if it’s completely dry between them when you install them the temperature differential of the shower and inside the wall can cause vapor and moisture to form with no way to dissipate. This can lead to mold being trapped between those layers – lots of it.

      • Mike

        Thanks!

  • Grant

    Hi Roger. I’m planning on using hydroban to seal my shower walls and floor. Any reason I wouldn’t be able to use a pre-mix thinset prior to this to mud the backer board seams? I realize that it is basically a mastic with sand, but I have some left over from a backsplash project I’d like to use. I appreciate your help.

    • Roger

      Hi Grant,

      It needs to be thinset. Thinset will grow cement crystals INTO the board to bond and lock them together, mastic is simply a glue which will remain on the surface and can break free with movement.

  • Josh

    do you also mud and tape the gap from backerboard to mud showerpan?

    • Roger

      No. Just the corners and seams on the wall.

      • Joshua

        what do you put in the gap between the backerboard and the mud shower pan? and what to put in the gap from the backerboard to ceiling? I also have a 1/4″ spacing from the backer board to the shower pan on the side corners but in the middle it dips a little its about 1/2″ can I thinset on the shower pan to get that 1/4″ along that side so the floor tile cant slide under the backerboard? Thanks for the help, your a lifesaver..

        • Roger

          Hi Joshua,

          You don’t put anything between the backer and the mud bed, it just hangs there. Yes, you can float out the pan to get rid of that dip with regular thinset.

  • Ed

    Hi Roger. I’m gutting most of my bathroom. To come out even with the doors’ framing (yes, there’s 2) I need to build up to a complete inch. In other words, the studs are one inch deeper than the door frames. Assuming that the cement board is 1/2 in. thick. What’s the best way to fill he remaining 1/2 in.? Could I install wall board against the studs and put cement board over it? Or could I (should I?) build up the studs with 1/2 in plywood strips and attach cement board to that?

    Also, do I need to cement board the entire 3 walls (i.e. between the tile and the ceiling) or just that which is behind the tile? This is a typical bathtub and shower arrangement with 3 tiled walls up to 5′ or so. The remainder would be painted.

    Finally, if I put cement board up above the tile and paint it, will the surface look the same as the painted plaster portions of the bathroom?

    • Roger

      Hi Ed,

      The easiest way is to cut 1/2″ ply strips for the front of the studs. You only need backer behind the tile. If you go to the ceiling you can prime, texture and paint it just like regular drywall.

  • Bob

    Hi Roger,
    I am building a mortar shower base with Kerdi and a Schluter drain. For the walls, I want to use Hardiebacker with poly behind it for a vapour barrier.

    1. How do I overlap the wall vapour barrier to the kerdi on the floor so moisture will run into the drain?

    2. I am going to use 3 stacked 2×4’s for the curb. Can I just run the kerdi over the wooden curb and hold it down with thinset?

    Thanks for the great site!

    • Roger

      Hi Bob,

      1. You can not. If you use a topical waterproofing membrane on the floor you need to use one on the walls as well.

      2. No, you need to cover the 2×4’s with backerboard. The wood expands and contracts too much to be directly beneath the kerdi, you need that buffer there.

      • Bob

        Thanks for the response. A couple of followup questions:

        1. So if I use the Kerdi on the walls, is there any reason to use cement board instead of regular drywall?

        2. Can I mix Hardiebacker and regular drywall? Say, use the cement board on the bottom half and drywall on the top?

        3. How do I handle the gaps in the transition between sections? My shower will run half way down a long wall. Beneath the tiled shower section the gaps will be covered with tape and thinset. But the gaps in the untiled section of drywall need tape and drywall compound. Should the drywall tape be put up first and then overlap the Kerdi over it with thinset?

        • Roger

          1. Not really. Either will work just fine.
          2. Yes.
          3. In the sections with the kerdi you don’t need tape and thinset, the kerdi does the same thing. It’s not necessary there.

  • Massoud Taheri

    Hi,
    You stated that we should leave some gaps between the backer wall for expansion and if I understood correctly we are to fill the gaps with Thin set, will that not defeat the purpose of the gap or will the thin set allow the expansion?
    Thank you

    • Roger

      Hi Massoud,

      You do not fill the gaps between the backer in the corners. I fill them with silicone, then I tape and mud the corners. It keeps the thinset out of those expansion gaps. The in-plane gaps between the boards on the same wall get filled with thinset to create a monolithic wall that moves as one, but you still need expansion capabilities in the corner.

  • Matt

    I have installed all the backer board to tile shower walls in my bathroom. However, being the first time I have attempted a project like this, I did not pay attention and now I have uneven joints at the backer board drywall joint. Some places are over 1/8″ difference. What is the best way to remedy this problem. All joints have been mudded.

    Thanks

    • Roger

      Hi Matt,

      You can float it flat with thinset, let it cure, then install your tile.

  • Stuart

    I have a cast Iron tub in an alcove which is finished with metal lathe and plaster. Very, very hard plaster. The plaster is about 1″ thick and solid as hell. The end wall that contains the plumbing had to be removed to replace the shower/tub faucet and plumbing. I’ve replace that end with hardibacker. Here’s the question, how do I go about finishing the new backer board and tie it into the plaster? I’m thinking thinset/tape in the corners and seams where the backer meets the plaster, then skim-coat the new backer board. I’m thinking I’d then redgard the whole shebang and then tile. Is this a bad idea? The main reason I didn’t tear all of the plaster out is; 1, it’s a real bitch to get out, and 2, it has a arched ceiling in the alcove which matched the lavatory alcove and there’s no good place to stop tearing it out. (it’s just not feasible to gut the whole bathroom since the plaster is nearly perfect)

    Any pointers you might have would be appreciated. I loved your ebook by the way.

    Thanks, Stuart

    • Roger

      Hi Stuart,

      Yes, tape and mud where the backer meets the plaster and redgard everything. It will work just fine.

      • Stuart

        Sweet! I love it when I make correct assumptions. I’m now wondering how the thinset will bond with the plaster where it meets the backer? It’s really smooth. Any tips for that? I’ve got to patch the plaster in the corner and where the end wall meets the curved ceiling so I want to get the most solid substrate repair and the best bond between the differing materails.

        Thanks again!

        • Roger

          Thinset will bond tenaciously to plaster. You won’t have a problem.

  • Steve

    Roger,

    For Hardiebacker on shower ceiling, what thickness do I need?
    Also, do I need to add 2x4s in between the ceiling joists (rafters) so they are 16″ apart (instead of 24″)?
    And what is the best Hardiebacker thickness for the shower walls?

    Thanks, Steve

    • Roger

      Hi Steve,

      1/2″ for ceiling and walls. Yes, ideally you should add 2×4’s to have more joists to screw into.

      • Steve Ray

        Thanks Roger

        Also, I will be installing Swanstone shower base, and my wife wants a shelf about 12″ off the floor to put her foot on for shaving. Can I build out a small corner shelf from the stud framing (just a shelf, open underneath), and then do the normal cement board and tile, or is there a better or easier way.

        Thanks, Steve

  • Hockey16

    Hey Roger,

    In my bathtub remodel research I’ve been told by the locals at the local hardware store that vapour barrier is not necessary behind cement board on interior walls, as they need to “breathe”.. Agree/disagree? Should I use both vapour barrier and Redguard? (neither of the bathrooms I’ve ripped apart so far have had either a vapour barrier or sealant).

    • Roger

      Absolutely disagree. Tell them to purchase a TCNA handbook, which describes that one or the other is absolutely necessary. It’s a common misconception that backerboard is waterproof – it is not. You need either a barrier or redgard, one or the other, not both.

  • Tina

    Hi Roger,

    I’ve read over your information several times as well as other sources on the internet. Your site gives me the most confidence with the information provided and is reader friendly. Thank you for such a great resource! We are ready to mud and tape the cement board and I just wanted to run by you what we plan to do to make sure I have not misunderstood something important. :)

    1. We will use thin-set and alkaline resistant mesh tape on all the seams that touch cement board (including where regular drywall/greenboard meets up with the cement board) correct?

    2. If we wanted, we could run some 100% silicone in the corners (a corner is considered wherever two different planes meet?) and then thin-set and tape over it. Is that correct?

    3. Redguard over the whole thing where we will eventually be tiling- all the cement board and even the seems where greenboard and cementboard meet. Is that correct? Do we need to do the ceiling too? We did not put cement board on the ceiling because we did not intend to tile the ceiling.

    4. Then we are ready to tile the shower??!

    Two more questions for you. Thank you for your patience! 1. I read somewhere about using mastic (?) to tile with instead of thin set because thin set will cause tiles to sag because it doesn’t dry as fast? What is mastic and is this information correct? I haven’t really heard other sources talk about using mastic, but I certainly don’t want our tiles to sag as we go. How do prevent sagging? 2. How do we waterproof or seal the area for the circles we cut out of the cement board for the tub faucet and shower head?

    Thanks again for your help!

    • Roger

      Hi Tina,

      Yes on all your questions. No, you do not need to do the ceiling as well.

      1. Mastic is an organic adhesive. DO NOT (!) use it in your shower. You can prevent sagging by either using a non-sag thinset (spendy) or by installing your bottom row of tile, shimming it up from the bottom so it doesn’t move, then stacking your tile up the wall. It won’t sag if you don’t start in the middle of the wall four feet from the floor. :D

      2. Like this: Sealing penetrations in tile installations.