Installing cement backerboard is one of the more popular choices for a shower wall substrate. Cement backerboards include Hardiebacker, Durock, Fiberboard, wonderboard, and similar products. These materials bridge the gap between expense and effectiveness. When installed properly they will give you many, many years of durable shower construction.

The advantage of cement backerboards is that, while not waterproof, they are dimensionally stable when wet. That just means that when they get wet they do not swell up. Any swelling behind tile is a bad thing. It will lead to cracking grout, tile, and all sorts of bad things.

Waterproofing your studs

To install the backerboard you must have a vapor barrier between it and the wooden wall studs. While the backerboard will not swell when wet, your wall studs will. You must prevent any moisture from reaching them. The preferred material for a vapor barrier would be 4 mil or thicker plastic sheeting which can be purchased at places like Home Depot or any hardware store. You can also use tar paper or roofing paper, the thick black paper used under shingles. Although I personally do not use that, it is an acceptable barrier.

Starting with your bare wall studs on your shower walls simply take your plastic sheeting and staple it to the wall studs completely covering the entire surface which will be inside your shower. You can also use silicone instead of staples to adhere it to the studs. Make sure you overlap all the edges. Just hang it all up there like you’re hanging wallpaper. You want it covering the framing enough that if you were to spray the walls with a hose the wall studs and framing would not get wet.

At the bottom of the barrier you will want it to overlap on the shower side of the tub or shower base. That is you want it so that any water that runs down the plastic sheeting will roll off into the tub rather than behind the tub. Overlap the lip of the tub or base and silicone the back of the barrier to keep it in place.

Installing the backerboard

Now for the backerboard. Lay out your backerboards for the best fit on the walls. They can go up vertically or horizontally, it makes no difference. With a regular tub surround with a five foot back wall it is usually easier to use two horizontal sheets along the back wall and one vertical on each of the sides. (This assumes 3 X 5 foot backerboard sheets.)

All backerboards are cut by scoring and snapping. You do not need a saw for them. While there are special scoring tools specifically for this you can easily do it with a regular utility knife. While all these backerboards are essentially identical in their effectiveness as a substrate, some are more easily cut. Durock, in my opinion, is the most difficult. I personally prefer hardiebacker or fiberboard. Make sure you check the website for whichever you choose for specific instructions.

To fasten the backerboard to the framing you have a couple of choices. A lot of professionals simply use galvanized roofing nails. While this is perfectly acceptable, I prefer screws over nails when possible. Hardi makes specific screws for their backerboard which can also be used for all backerboards. These are manufactured with ribs beneath the head of the screw which help it cut into the backerboard and countersink so the head is flush. If your local big box or hardware store carries them, they will be in the tile section. You can also use just about any type of corrosion resistant screw. Anything that can be used for an outside deck can be used for your backerboard.

Fasten your backerboard to your shower framing with a screw or nail about every 8 – 12 inches. I would also suggest using a straight-edge along your wall while doing this so that you can shim out any areas where the wall studs may not be straight. The flatter your backerboard is installed, the easier your tile installation will be. Take your time, the beer isn’t going anywhere.

Allow for movement!

You do not want to butt the backerboards against one another. You need to leave a small gap at every change of plane. That includes corners, walls to ceilings, and walls to tubs or floors. There needs to be room for expansion and contraction.

Wood moves – always. It’s just a fact of life. The secret to dealing with the movement is to ensure the movement will not interfere with the tile. Leaving this small gap will allow for movement of the sheets enough so that they do not force against one another and push out. While the backerboard itself is very stable, you are still attaching it to wood.

If you have a tub or shower base you will also want to stop the backerboard about 1/8 inch above the lip. You do not want to run the board over the edge of the lip because it will cause the backerboard to bow out and your wall will not be flat. It will also allow the tub or shower base to move a bit – it’s attached to the wooden studs as well. Tubs also move when they are filled with water. You need to allow for that movement.

I usually leave about a 1/16 to 1/8 inch gap between the sheets of backerboard. This allows for thinset to lock into the entire thickness of your backerboard when you tape and mud your seams. We’ll cover that part in a minute.

Don’t allow for movement! (Confused yet?)

If your shower framing is such that you cannot place the edges of all the backerboards directly over a stud you will need to add more studs. You may do this with regular 2 X 4’s screwed to the present framing vertically or horizontally as needed. You must make sure that every edge of the backerboard is supported so if the wall is pushed or leaned on in that spot it does not move. You want solid walls.

Final step

The last thing you must do is mud and tape your seams. Similar to regular drywall all of your in-plane  joints must be taped. To do this you just use regular thinset and alkali-resistant fiberglass mesh tape. You can find the tape in the tile section – it’s similar to regular fiberglass drywall tape, but it specifically manufactured to be alkali resistant. Make sure it is alkali-resistant because your thinset contains alkali which will gradually erode regular tape thus defeating the purpose.

There are two ways to address the corners. The industry standard, and the way you should do it, is to tape and mud the corner joint as well. Most backerboard manufacturers recommend this, as do the handbook standards. I only do that about half the time – I’m a rebel like that. 8)

*The other half of the time I only tape and mud the in-plane joints – the gaps in the same wall, not the corners. With the corners I fill the gap with silicone. I do this to allow the different planes of the walls to move in different directions, which they will do whether you like it or not. Allowing this movement in the substrate compensates for excess stress in certain applications. This is something that I do, it is not industry standard and you will likely not find anyone else recommending doing this. So when you get the conflicting information about this – that’s why. :D

Fill all the gaps in your seams with thinset (you left gaps there, right?) then embed the tape into it. Then go over the tape with more thinset to smooth everything out. This will lock everything together and give you a continuous, solid substrate for your tile. That’s what you’re looking for.

When properly installed cement backerboards will create a rock solid, extremely durable substrate for your tile installation. Taking time and care to solidify what is behind or beneath your tile is the only way to guarantee a lasting installation. Your tile is only as durable as what it is installed upon.

As always if you have any questions at all please feel free to leave a comment.

Hardiebacker Website

Durock Website

Need More Information?

I now have manuals describing the complete process for you from bare wall studs all the way up to a completely waterproof shower substrate for your tile. If you are tiling your walls and floor you can find that one here: Waterproof shower floor and wall manual.

If you have a tub or pre-formed shower base and are only tiling the walls you can find that one here: Waterproof shower walls manual.

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  • Cheryl

    Hi there. Just wondering if its ok to use 1/4 inch cement board under tiles in a tub surround? The reason for this is that the 1/2 inch is too thick when combined with our tiles. It won’t sit right on the edge of the tub when its finished. I would appreciate any help you can give.

    • Roger

      Hi Cheryl,

      If you’re talking about using it as the wall substrate – no, it needs to be 1/2″. 1/4″ does not have the stability needed to prevent flexing of your walls. I don’t understand what you mean by the ‘edge of the tub’ thing?

      • Tina

        Hi again,

        In reading Cheryl’s question, I checked the size of what we used because I know we used both sizes. We initially did the first wall with 1/4 in. then read somewhere that we should be using the Hardibacker 500. When I asked someone at Home Depot about the two different kinds, they said that the 500 was 1/2 in. thick simply to make it easier to match up to standard drywall….We did the other two walls with 1/2 in. but now I am worried that the one wall with 1/4 in. cement board causing stability problems in the future… Would you suggest us redoing that wall to 1/2”? I certainly don’t want to have future tile problems! I wish I’d seen this earlier!

        • Roger

          Unfortunately yes, the 1/4″ needs to be replaced. It does not add enough dimensional stability between the wall studs for your tile installation.

  • erica

    I used thinset and tape for my horizontal hardibacker joints but I used silicone on the 2 vertical corner joints, which is what I thought was being advised here. Now I want to redgard the entire thing and have been advised that the redgard will not stick to the 2 joints that I put silicone in and that my installation will fail. Is this true?

    • erica

      I am beyond confused. Looking through all the comments, there is a part where you say “the silicone and the redgard will create a waterproof joint” then a different comment where you say that you tape and thinset over the silicone joint before putting on the redgard. I need my adult beverage now!

      • Roger

        Hi Erica,

        Either will work. I’m unsure who ‘advised’ you that your installation will fail, but if that were true I would be replacing a shitload of showers I built that way. The issue arises because as products change my installation methods must change with them. So, although I did not use to tape and mud the corners as well, I do now.

        But BOTH METHODS WORK.

        The redgard will not stick well to the silicone – it doesn’t need to. The silicone has sealed the corner. Painting redgard over it, while it won’t bond well, will fill any missed areas between the silicone and backer. So you still end up with a watertight installation.

        I now tape and mud over the siliconed corners, let that cure, then redgard everything. This is a REDGARD SPECIFIC installation method – redgard requires mesh reinforcement in the corners. That can be achieved either by siliconing the joints, as you have done, and embedding the mesh in the redgard as you install it. Or by taping and mudding over the siliconed joints, letting that cure, then just painting redgard over the entire thing.

        Have an adult beverage anyway. :D

        • erica

          I hope you have some idea how much we all appreciate you Roger. I am back on track by just embedding the mesh tape in my first coat of Redgard. And I’m looking at my dog as I type, so she didn’t even catch on fire!

  • Mark

    I used silicone to attach poly to the shower lip. It doesn’t seem to set and some small wrinkles and gaps have appeared at the bottom of the poly. I fear water entering and getting behind the shower pan. Did I misunderstand your directions? Thank you Roger.

    • Roger

      Hi Mark,

      Probably not, with some acrylics the coatings will not allow regular silicone to bond well. Get a tube of sika-flex (it’s in the concrete section) and use that. It bonds to everything – including dog’s fur…or the neighbor’s cat – VERY WELL. :D

      • Mark

        Thanks Roger!

        • Mark

          I purchased Sika Flex Construction Sealant and noticed another product, Sika Bond Pro Select Construction Adhesive. Is the sealant the ticket? Am I over thinking this? :bonk:

          • Roger

            Hi Mark,

            Yes, the sealant is what you want. Yes, you are overthinking this. :D

  • Tom

    Roger,

    Why is there such a difference on opinion on whether the backer board should go above the tub flange or over it. By over it I mean over the lip and down to about 1/4 from the horizontal surface. While I personally am more comfortable with your premise to stop it above by about 1/8″, it seems the majority of comments on the Internet is for it to go over it and even shim the studs to do so. Of course, that makes transitions to drywall a challenge as well as cover the screws the secure the tub to the studs.

    Any thoughts on this point?

    • Roger

      Hi Tom,

      It’s likely just the overlapping concern, many don’t feel it can be waterproofed correctly unless it’s actually overlapping the flange. Inexperience, is the best answer I can give. I do both, depending on what it’s butting up to and how the tub is installed. Whatever works best with your layout is the correct answer. They both work.

  • christine

    hi roger
    I have a surround shower with one side that is a 2×4 structured wall and behind this wall there is a cubby hole for a premade cabinet to slide into. on the cubby side I put plastic corner bead on the joining sheetrock corners and mudded it. (its an exterior corner) what I am wanting to know is : 1. can I put the plastic corner bead on the opposite corner where the backerboard and sheetrock meet. I am wanting a nice straight, square corner. : 2. will the thinset will adhere to the plastic. I would thinset on the backerboard side “over” the corner bead, and mud the 4 1/2 face with the drywall mud. this corner has a small gap (1/8)where the backer and sheetrock meet so I can nail the corner bead into this crack and into the 2×4 frame behind it. 3. how far from the outside edge should I lay the tile so I can caulk along it and hide the grout …..If this doesn’t work what should I do ??? thanks roger

    • Roger

      Hi Christine,

      1. Yes.
      2. No, but it will anchor in the little holes through the corner bead into the backer.
      3. You can lay the tile right up to the edge of the bead.

  • Roland

    Roger,

    Thank you for all your help on my project. Wanted to get that said first. :-o

    My question is about the Kerdi membrane. Can it go over joint compound? I think the answer is yes as long as I use the unmodified thin set but not sure.

    Thanks.

    Roland

    • Roger

      Hi Roland,

      Yes.

  • Roland

    Roger, installed cement board and took the time to level studs; however, I have a wall with metal plates for support for plumbing that is cause about an 1/8 to 1/4 inch bow in a small area where the board meets the drywall. I will be putting tile there however i need to level it out. I’m thinking about sanding is down with my angle grinder using 60 grit wheel. I have a dust collector for it. What do you think?

    Roland

    • Roland

      Roger, I bought 50 grit sand wheel for my 4 1/2 inch grinder and went to town on 4 of the lumped (bowed out) parts of the wall and it worked perfectly. Dust was minimal cause i used the dust collector that went with it. Really worked nice after i duct taped the hoses. Now going to smooth it out and ready it for Kerdi membrane. Just wanted to let you know.

      Roland

    • Roger

      Hey Roland,

      That will work, but make sure you have your dust collector hooked up, that’s gonna be messy. :D

  • Ulysses

    Hi thank you for the information. Using durock or hardieboard, and a waterproofing liquid like redgard, how does one waterproof the cement to Sheetrock joint at the outside edge of the tile installation? Would the redgard stick to regular Sheetrock?

    • Roger

      Hi Ulysses,

      Yes, redgard will stick to drywall (sheetrock). You can also silicone between the drywall and backer.

  • Joe

    Just for reference. When installing the vapor barrier to the lip of the tub. This allows any water that penetrates the tile to be directed into the tub, however when all is said and done that path is all closed in with silicone correct (I.e. The tile sealed to tub).

    Thanks for the very informative article.

    • Roger

      Hi Joe,

      Nope, not if you do it correctly. Weep holes.

  • Greg B.

    In regards to installing Backer Board for a Shower Enclosure, will the thickness of the water proofing (either membrane or hot mop) require one to use shims to make up for the thickness of the water proofing material (say about 1/8 to 1/4 inch). This way the walls will be straight & flat from bottom to top. Am I making too much of this…your thoughts and comments?

    Many thanks!

    • Roger

      Hi Greg,

      You can use shims or you can notch the bottom of the studs out to accept whichever waterproofing method.

  • Daniel

    Hi Roger,

    Thanks for the site. I had a question about using silicone in the change of plane joints. I am using redgard and have heard that it will not bond to silicone. How do you achieve a water tight joint with silicone and redgard?

    Thanks,
    Daniel

    • Roger

      Hi Daniel,

      Redgard will not bond to silicone. What it will do, however, is fill any microcracks or areas which the silicone has not sealed up. The combination of the two waterproofs the joint.

  • Rick

    Hello Roger,

    Once again, another question.

    Can I use my tile saw (wet saw) to cut the 1/2″ HardieBacker board. It would be so much easier and cleaner than using brute force to score and break the edges off where I have to make corner cuts.

    Thanks for your advice.

    Rick

    • Roger

      Hi Rick,

      You can, but I don’t think it’ll be easier. It will cut it, though.

  • BRIAN

    I have outside edges in my walk-in shower where the glass door will be. I covered it all with hardiebacker board. do I need to put corner bead in around the door opening?

    thanks
    B

    • Roger

      Hi Brian,

      No, no need for the corner bead if it will be covered with tile. If you have an outside edge that doesn’t get tile then you can use a plastic corner bead on that.

  • Ethan

    I am tiling the walls around my tub. One wall is an exterior wall, would you still recommend the vapor barrier between the studs and the durock?

    • Roger

      Hi Ethan,

      Yes.

  • J Rogers

    Roger,
    Thanks for a great site! One thing I can’t figure out….I’m installing my tile on shower walls with acrylic rather than thinset. How do you “close” the seams of the hardiebacker with acrylic? Do you have to still use thinset on the seams or can you use the acrylic product for sealing too?
    Thanks!

    • Roger

      Hi J,

      Do you mean mastic? If that is what you are planning on using you need to change your plan. If you mean something else you need to let me know what that is. You still need to use thinset and mesh tape on the seams.

  • tina

    Hi Roger,
    I read your manual for waterproofing the walls but what I am still a little confused on is doing the floor. We have a tub/shower and are planning to redo the title- it has already been ripped out and releveled. I read the info about waterproofing floor for a shower but that didn’t seem to be the info I needed because we are not building or needing to slope for a drain. What do we need to do in addition to the regular thinset and mortar in order to waterproof for the floor? We are doing the title for the bathroom, hallway and kitchen. Does that all need to be waterproofed as well?
    Thank you so much for all the information you have provided a one far!

    • Roger

      Hi Tina,

      If you have a tub then you don’t need to waterproof the floor. That is only for the floor area inside a shower, anything outside the tub is outside the shower. You can waterproof it if you want to, there’s just no real reason to. Same goes for the rest of your floor.

      • John Walls

        Roger,
        For a tub/shower on a wood framed floor—-
        1) Would there not be some advantage to waterproofing the first several inches of the bathroom floor at the edge of the tub? Kind of the same philosophy as “tub legs” in your tile book? This might help with any careless splashing or improper door or curtain sealing.
        2) If you plan to tile the bathroom floor, how is the best way to terminate the tiles at the intersection with the tub? Do you leave a gap and grout it, or should you caulk it? Seems like grout might be a cracking/expansion problem along that line? If caulked, would you use Silicone caulk?

        • Roger

          Hi John,

          1. Yes, you can if you want to. I normally don’t because it doesn’t cause any problems usually, but it definitely won’t hurt.
          2. Leave a 1/16″ – 1/8″ gap and silicone it.

  • Jay C

    Roger,
    I’m installing a tile floor and plan to tape the seams between sheets of backer board. My question – do I need to let the tape’s thinset dry before laying tiles or can I “mud” tape and lay floor tiles all at once?
    Thanks for such a great site!

    • Roger

      Hi Jay,

      You can do it all at once, that’s how I do it.

  • Roland

    Roger, I have an outside corner where cement board meets green board. I’m thinking I’ll use a corner mesh and then use drywall mud to smooth it out. Please advise.

    Also, should i leave a gap on inside corners?

    Roland

    • Roger

      Hi Roland,

      Gap on inside corners about 1/16″. If the corner is not in a wet area drywall mud is fine, if it is you need alkali-resistant mesh tape and thinset to float it out.

      • Roland

        Perfect! Thanks Roger.

        • Roland

          Roger, getting ready to mix kerabond and says i need to use keralastic if using on cement board. Just using it for seams and kerdi membrane.

          Thanks

          Roland

          • Roger

            Hi Roland,

            If you are using kerdi don’t use the keralastic.

  • tyler

    Hey there, I have purchased Durock to go in my shower enclosure. my surrounding drywall is 5/8 in and the Durock 1/2 in. so there will be quite a difference at the butting edges. any suggestions? Shims are fine?

    thx

    • Roger

      Hi Tyler,

      Yes, shims are fine, regular drywall shims work well and are cheap.

  • Kristen NyQuist

    Dear Floor Elf:
    Just want to say a big thanks for holding my hand throughout my recent DIY bathroom remodel. You might not known it, but you were there with me the whole time, on speed dial. I finished the tub surround and floor a while ago, but won’t let anyone use them because I’m so paranoid that maybe I’ve done something wrong (you know, considering the fact that I have no experience at this and everything is either perfect or you’ll rot your house away). Tonight I went back over my steps, looked at all my pictures while cross-referencing with you site, and I’m happy to say I’m gonna let the family shower in our own home tomorrow. It’s been a long 3 weeks, and I definitely couldn’t have done it without your help. Thank you!!!!

    • Roger

      You’re very welcome Kristen! Glad I could help. :D

  • Scott

    Sorry, correction! I am doing a tub surround.. A deep, really deep, “soaker tub” so that my wife can lounge about for hours along with several hundred pounds of water suspended above my kitchen.. The added bonus of such a deep tub, is that it will be easier for me to whack my shins getting in and out of it.. AND it’s going to be a better fire suppression system for flaming dogs than a standard tub!

    • Roger

      Same answer, but I love the fire suppression system idea! :D

  • Scott

    Hi Roger,

    I’m doing a shower surround, 1 wall, and the entire floor in my bathroom using 1/2″ backer board on the walls and 1/4″ on the floor. I will be using Redgard (or similar liquid product) on the walls.

    1 Do I still want to put a plastic vapor barrier between the backer board and wall studs if I am going to use Redgard?

    2 for the bathroom floor, should I use Redgard on the backer board?

    Thanks in advance for your help

    • Roger

      Hi Scott,

      1. No.

      2. If you want to, but there’s really no reason to.

      • Kara

        We are using Redgard as well…we were told by a contractor that we didn’t need to tape and bed the backer board if we do it this way-is that correct? Reading this, I see the advice about leaving the gaps, and it makes sense to still need to tape and bed those sections. We just paused our project so I could check. Thanks!

        • Roger

          Hi Kara,

          YES! You still need to tape and mud the backer. Once that cures you paint the redgard over it.

  • Ray

    From your instruction above, if I chose to silicone the corners, that’s all that goes in the corners, right? I thought I reads in another Q&A for one of your other intructions where someone asked about why you chose one or the other options (silicone or tape/mud corners) and I think I read that you responded that you when you silicone the corners, you then tap and mud over the silicone corners, too. Did I read that right or am I just recalling incorrectly? I’m at the tape&mud step in the project and just want to get it right the first time…. thanks.

    • Roger

      Hi Ray,

      I still tape and mud over the siliconed corners. The silicone allows the board to expand (linearly) while the tape and mud prevents the two planes from pulling apart.

      • Ray

        Got it… I’m on to the corners tonight then the Redgard membrane in another day or two. Thanks for the details.

  • Bill

    Hello roger i am a contractor an I enjoy reading your colum with your response an they are always on the money Job well done

  • Nick

    Hi Roger,

    Thank you in advance for your help.

    My question, I am going to remodel a rental’s bathroom, and the person I have hired is stating we are going to use 1/4 hardiboard for the walls that surround the tub….even though the walls are currently 1/2″ thick now…he states that this will allow for a ‘better fit’ for the tile….(I have purchased porcelain tile)…not sure I understand the reasoning, is this right? I mean, how will the seam look where the tile meets the drywall that is outside of the tub enclosure?

    Your thoughts? Does this sound like someone that knows what he is talking about? He also wanted to use some type of pre-mixed mastic for the tile, which also, although I have seen it in home improvement stores, don’t think that is what we want to use, and I requested he use thin set…

    Please help…I am feeling quite quesy as he has mentioned nothing about vapor barrier…I do live in Denver if that makes a difference?

    • Roger

      Hi Nick,

      That person absolutely does NOT know what they’re doing. You need 1/2″ backer on walls, hell, even hardi states that and they suck at recommending proper tile procedures. Mastic has no place in a shower, you are correct about the thinset.

      Rental or not I would get rid of them and find someone else. The damage that can be caused behind your wall will last quite a while before it’s even noticed, then you have a much larger problem on your hands.